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[–] 9 points 4 weeks ago

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As others have pointed out, this is just allowing teachers to physically restrain kids as a last resort. This should never have been removed in the first place. It's a testament to how the pendulum swung MUCH too far in the direction of permissive parenting/teaching. Contrary to the belief in these (often academic) circles, children are not perfectly rational. It is not always possible to talk kids out of hysterical or violent episodes. Especially when there are exacerbating cognitive, behavioural, and cultural problems. Some kids need time out, and sometimes they need to be physically put there to prevent disruption for the whole class (or much worse). Unfortunately teachers all over the West have been systematically disempowered from doing this over decades. Many schools now have zero contact policies, and this has resulted in pupils harming other students in front of teachers, while teachers stood back for fear of losing their jobs, lawsuits, or even potential prosecution. I think the bottom line is teachers need to once again be empowered to control their classrooms. At minimum this means giving them the authority to remove students from the class - whether by force or otherwise. They must be able to expel violent students. We need to radically dismantle the "no child left behind" bureaucracy which has placed violent and special needs children into regular classrooms.

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    [–] 22 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Since 1967, teachers could only physically intervene with students if their safety or that of others was at risk. Starting in August 2027, they will be allowed to 'hold a student, keep them in place, or take them to another room' if the student disrupts the class.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    WTF is happening to the world

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Read the fucking article fa chrise sakes. Only thing it’s allowing teachers to do is to restrain a kid if the kid is harming others

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago*

    For some definition of harming others.

    The subtitle says:

    if the student disrupts the class

    And, in the body of the article:

    The proposed law would allow teachers to physically intervene if a student harasses or insults others, or "significantly" disrupts lessons.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Did you?

    The current legislation only allows teachers to use force if a student poses a danger to themselves, others, or school property. The teachers' union (Danmarks Lærerforening) has long called for greater flexibility, arguing that it is increasingly difficult to manage students who disturb class and refuse to keep quiet or leave when asked.

    They already have the ability to restrain a child who is a danger to others, this is for children who are simply disrupting a class.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    "simply" distrupting?? geesh.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (4 children)

    You’re right a loud child disturbing a class 100% needs physical violence to fix the issue.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Being forced to sit is physical but hardly violence.

    If you've been in a position of authority with kids somewhat recently, you know that the old "because I say so" just plain doesn't work anymore. If a kid starts playing Roblox videos on his phone during class I don't see the harm in yanking it out of their hands or forcing them to another room. What solution would you take that doesn't involve any physical contact at all?

    Striking kids is a different thing entirely.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 weeks ago

    Schools usually have security officers who can come in and forcibly remove a disruptive student.

    I usually go by the rule of No Touching. But if one student is touching another in a disruptive albeit not violent way (e.g. touching someone's hair without their permission) i think that is what I'd want the rule to enable: the teacher physically getting between them.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 weeks ago*

    If a kid starts playing Roblox videos on his phone during class I don’t see the harm in yanking it out of their hands or forcing them to another room. What solution would you take that doesn’t involve any physical contact at all?

    Having a discussion with them and their parents? Working it out like a reasonable human not some boomer who thinks force is the answer. The issue does not need to be address right there and then if it is annoying but not harmful, all that does is teach children that physical force is an appropriate response to minor annoyances.

    I had rough teachers growing up and I had good teachers growing up, I know which one I want for my children.

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    I used to hyper focus on world war 2 history. Scared the ever living shit out of me and the only way I could calm down was to tell myself it's in the past, we lost so many lives and destroyed so many others just so those that come after, won't have to suffer this again. And now this. How do I calm down now fam?

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  • [–] 27 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Thought I moved from R*ddit to see more constructive comments (among many other things), turns out nobody reads past the headline here either.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    You can take the tiger out of the jungle but you can't take the jungle out of the tiger

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    Teaching kids the important shit like the impunity of the state early, huh? /s

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    I can't remember the last time I heard a good story out of those damn dastardly danes.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (6 children)

    Here's one from June:

    To secure support, the incoming government agreed to free dental care for Danes within 10 years, free public transport for everyone under the age of 22 and zero value-added tax (VAT) on fruit and vegetables

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  • [–] 2 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

    I'll believe it when I see it. Don't trust promises.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    Only when they're positive, or also when they're negative like the article from OP?

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  • [–] 5 points 4 weeks ago

    I guess teachers in Denmark had to use the Jedi force before now?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (18 children)

    Western nations just mask off brutal Nazis now

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (16 children)

    For being able to move kids out of a classroom?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (15 children)

    You need to use physical force on kids to get them to comply?

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    If they refuse to comply otherwise, yes.

    You'll let one kid ruin class for everyone else? They deserve their education.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago* (4 children)

    yep agree, not sure why people are ok with one kid being a jerk and disrupting everyone else with little consequence.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 weeks ago* (2 children)

    Yeah let's approve physical force on kids instead of fixing what is making them do this. No wonder the world is violent, we turn to it first at every opprotunity.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 weeks ago (5 children)

    i work in the US in an elementary school and the kids get so violent and out of control that we have to call the cops on them regularly. being allowed to restrain them is necessary.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 weeks ago (4 children)

    I'm sure this won't have any lasting or damaging effects on them

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    Kinda like admitting you have been defeated by children and must resort to physical force? Change everything but ourselves?

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