▲ 95 ▼ Denmark set to allow return of 'physical force' to maintain order in schools (www.lemonde.fr) submitted 1 month ago by Zapados@sh.itjust.works to c/world 49 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Malica@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 month ago (12 children) WTF is happening to the world permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] skeezix@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (8 children) Read the fucking article fa chrise sakes. Only thing it’s allowing teachers to do is to restrain a kid if the kid is harming others permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] tangeli@piefed.social 21 points 1 month ago* For some definition of harming others. The subtitle says: if the student disrupts the class And, in the body of the article: The proposed law would allow teachers to physically intervene if a student harasses or insults others, or "significantly" disrupts lessons. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 month ago (6 children) Did you? The current legislation only allows teachers to use force if a student poses a danger to themselves, others, or school property. The teachers' union (Danmarks Lærerforening) has long called for greater flexibility, arguing that it is increasingly difficult to manage students who disturb class and refuse to keep quiet or leave when asked. They already have the ability to restrain a child who is a danger to others, this is for children who are simply disrupting a class. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lightsblinken@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (5 children) "simply" distrupting?? geesh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago* (4 children) You’re right a loud child disturbing a class 100% needs physical violence to fix the issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago (3 children) Being forced to sit is physical but hardly violence. If you've been in a position of authority with kids somewhat recently, you know that the old "because I say so" just plain doesn't work anymore. If a kid starts playing Roblox videos on his phone during class I don't see the harm in yanking it out of their hands or forcing them to another room. What solution would you take that doesn't involve any physical contact at all? Striking kids is a different thing entirely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago Schools usually have security officers who can come in and forcibly remove a disruptive student. I usually go by the rule of No Touching. But if one student is touching another in a disruptive albeit not violent way (e.g. touching someone's hair without their permission) i think that is what I'd want the rule to enable: the teacher physically getting between them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* If a kid starts playing Roblox videos on his phone during class I don’t see the harm in yanking it out of their hands or forcing them to another room. What solution would you take that doesn’t involve any physical contact at all? Having a discussion with them and their parents? Working it out like a reasonable human not some boomer who thinks force is the answer. The issue does not need to be address right there and then if it is annoying but not harmful, all that does is teach children that physical force is an appropriate response to minor annoyances. I had rough teachers growing up and I had good teachers growing up, I know which one I want for my children. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lightsblinken@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago yeah, agree. not sure why people are jumping to extremes here. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com 5 points 1 month ago (2 children) Fascism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Malica@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) I used to hyper focus on world war 2 history. Scared the ever living shit out of me and the only way I could calm down was to tell myself it's in the past, we lost so many lives and destroyed so many others just so those that come after, won't have to suffer this again. And now this. How do I calm down now fam? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com 4 points 1 month ago Join the communist party, I guess. Or whatever. Make your day job an active fight for good. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (8 children) Read the fucking article fa chrise sakes. Only thing it’s allowing teachers to do is to restrain a kid if the kid is harming others permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] tangeli@piefed.social 21 points 1 month ago* For some definition of harming others. The subtitle says: if the student disrupts the class And, in the body of the article: The proposed law would allow teachers to physically intervene if a student harasses or insults others, or "significantly" disrupts lessons. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 month ago (6 children) Did you? The current legislation only allows teachers to use force if a student poses a danger to themselves, others, or school property. The teachers' union (Danmarks Lærerforening) has long called for greater flexibility, arguing that it is increasingly difficult to manage students who disturb class and refuse to keep quiet or leave when asked. They already have the ability to restrain a child who is a danger to others, this is for children who are simply disrupting a class. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lightsblinken@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (5 children) "simply" distrupting?? geesh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago* (4 children) You’re right a loud child disturbing a class 100% needs physical violence to fix the issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago (3 children) Being forced to sit is physical but hardly violence. If you've been in a position of authority with kids somewhat recently, you know that the old "because I say so" just plain doesn't work anymore. If a kid starts playing Roblox videos on his phone during class I don't see the harm in yanking it out of their hands or forcing them to another room. What solution would you take that doesn't involve any physical contact at all? Striking kids is a different thing entirely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago Schools usually have security officers who can come in and forcibly remove a disruptive student. I usually go by the rule of No Touching. But if one student is touching another in a disruptive albeit not violent way (e.g. touching someone's hair without their permission) i think that is what I'd want the rule to enable: the teacher physically getting between them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* If a kid starts playing Roblox videos on his phone during class I don’t see the harm in yanking it out of their hands or forcing them to another room. What solution would you take that doesn’t involve any physical contact at all? Having a discussion with them and their parents? Working it out like a reasonable human not some boomer who thinks force is the answer. The issue does not need to be address right there and then if it is annoying but not harmful, all that does is teach children that physical force is an appropriate response to minor annoyances. I had rough teachers growing up and I had good teachers growing up, I know which one I want for my children. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lightsblinken@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago yeah, agree. not sure why people are jumping to extremes here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tangeli@piefed.social 21 points 1 month ago* For some definition of harming others. The subtitle says: if the student disrupts the class And, in the body of the article: The proposed law would allow teachers to physically intervene if a student harasses or insults others, or "significantly" disrupts lessons. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 month ago (6 children) Did you? The current legislation only allows teachers to use force if a student poses a danger to themselves, others, or school property. The teachers' union (Danmarks Lærerforening) has long called for greater flexibility, arguing that it is increasingly difficult to manage students who disturb class and refuse to keep quiet or leave when asked. They already have the ability to restrain a child who is a danger to others, this is for children who are simply disrupting a class. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lightsblinken@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (5 children) "simply" distrupting?? geesh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago* (4 children) You’re right a loud child disturbing a class 100% needs physical violence to fix the issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago (3 children) Being forced to sit is physical but hardly violence. If you've been in a position of authority with kids somewhat recently, you know that the old "because I say so" just plain doesn't work anymore. If a kid starts playing Roblox videos on his phone during class I don't see the harm in yanking it out of their hands or forcing them to another room. What solution would you take that doesn't involve any physical contact at all? Striking kids is a different thing entirely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago Schools usually have security officers who can come in and forcibly remove a disruptive student. I usually go by the rule of No Touching. But if one student is touching another in a disruptive albeit not violent way (e.g. touching someone's hair without their permission) i think that is what I'd want the rule to enable: the teacher physically getting between them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* If a kid starts playing Roblox videos on his phone during class I don’t see the harm in yanking it out of their hands or forcing them to another room. What solution would you take that doesn’t involve any physical contact at all? Having a discussion with them and their parents? Working it out like a reasonable human not some boomer who thinks force is the answer. The issue does not need to be address right there and then if it is annoying but not harmful, all that does is teach children that physical force is an appropriate response to minor annoyances. I had rough teachers growing up and I had good teachers growing up, I know which one I want for my children. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lightsblinken@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago yeah, agree. not sure why people are jumping to extremes here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lightsblinken@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (5 children) "simply" distrupting?? geesh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago* (4 children) You’re right a loud child disturbing a class 100% needs physical violence to fix the issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago (3 children) Being forced to sit is physical but hardly violence. If you've been in a position of authority with kids somewhat recently, you know that the old "because I say so" just plain doesn't work anymore. If a kid starts playing Roblox videos on his phone during class I don't see the harm in yanking it out of their hands or forcing them to another room. What solution would you take that doesn't involve any physical contact at all? Striking kids is a different thing entirely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago Schools usually have security officers who can come in and forcibly remove a disruptive student. I usually go by the rule of No Touching. But if one student is touching another in a disruptive albeit not violent way (e.g. touching someone's hair without their permission) i think that is what I'd want the rule to enable: the teacher physically getting between them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* If a kid starts playing Roblox videos on his phone during class I don’t see the harm in yanking it out of their hands or forcing them to another room. What solution would you take that doesn’t involve any physical contact at all? Having a discussion with them and their parents? Working it out like a reasonable human not some boomer who thinks force is the answer. The issue does not need to be address right there and then if it is annoying but not harmful, all that does is teach children that physical force is an appropriate response to minor annoyances. I had rough teachers growing up and I had good teachers growing up, I know which one I want for my children. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lightsblinken@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago yeah, agree. not sure why people are jumping to extremes here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago* (4 children) You’re right a loud child disturbing a class 100% needs physical violence to fix the issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago (3 children) Being forced to sit is physical but hardly violence. If you've been in a position of authority with kids somewhat recently, you know that the old "because I say so" just plain doesn't work anymore. If a kid starts playing Roblox videos on his phone during class I don't see the harm in yanking it out of their hands or forcing them to another room. What solution would you take that doesn't involve any physical contact at all? Striking kids is a different thing entirely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago Schools usually have security officers who can come in and forcibly remove a disruptive student. I usually go by the rule of No Touching. But if one student is touching another in a disruptive albeit not violent way (e.g. touching someone's hair without their permission) i think that is what I'd want the rule to enable: the teacher physically getting between them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* If a kid starts playing Roblox videos on his phone during class I don’t see the harm in yanking it out of their hands or forcing them to another room. What solution would you take that doesn’t involve any physical contact at all? Having a discussion with them and their parents? Working it out like a reasonable human not some boomer who thinks force is the answer. The issue does not need to be address right there and then if it is annoying but not harmful, all that does is teach children that physical force is an appropriate response to minor annoyances. I had rough teachers growing up and I had good teachers growing up, I know which one I want for my children. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lightsblinken@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago yeah, agree. not sure why people are jumping to extremes here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago (3 children) Being forced to sit is physical but hardly violence. If you've been in a position of authority with kids somewhat recently, you know that the old "because I say so" just plain doesn't work anymore. If a kid starts playing Roblox videos on his phone during class I don't see the harm in yanking it out of their hands or forcing them to another room. What solution would you take that doesn't involve any physical contact at all? Striking kids is a different thing entirely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago Schools usually have security officers who can come in and forcibly remove a disruptive student. I usually go by the rule of No Touching. But if one student is touching another in a disruptive albeit not violent way (e.g. touching someone's hair without their permission) i think that is what I'd want the rule to enable: the teacher physically getting between them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* If a kid starts playing Roblox videos on his phone during class I don’t see the harm in yanking it out of their hands or forcing them to another room. What solution would you take that doesn’t involve any physical contact at all? Having a discussion with them and their parents? Working it out like a reasonable human not some boomer who thinks force is the answer. The issue does not need to be address right there and then if it is annoying but not harmful, all that does is teach children that physical force is an appropriate response to minor annoyances. I had rough teachers growing up and I had good teachers growing up, I know which one I want for my children. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lightsblinken@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago yeah, agree. not sure why people are jumping to extremes here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago Schools usually have security officers who can come in and forcibly remove a disruptive student. I usually go by the rule of No Touching. But if one student is touching another in a disruptive albeit not violent way (e.g. touching someone's hair without their permission) i think that is what I'd want the rule to enable: the teacher physically getting between them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* If a kid starts playing Roblox videos on his phone during class I don’t see the harm in yanking it out of their hands or forcing them to another room. What solution would you take that doesn’t involve any physical contact at all? Having a discussion with them and their parents? Working it out like a reasonable human not some boomer who thinks force is the answer. The issue does not need to be address right there and then if it is annoying but not harmful, all that does is teach children that physical force is an appropriate response to minor annoyances. I had rough teachers growing up and I had good teachers growing up, I know which one I want for my children. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lightsblinken@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago yeah, agree. not sure why people are jumping to extremes here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com 5 points 1 month ago (2 children) Fascism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Malica@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) I used to hyper focus on world war 2 history. Scared the ever living shit out of me and the only way I could calm down was to tell myself it's in the past, we lost so many lives and destroyed so many others just so those that come after, won't have to suffer this again. And now this. How do I calm down now fam? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com 4 points 1 month ago Join the communist party, I guess. Or whatever. Make your day job an active fight for good. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Malica@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) I used to hyper focus on world war 2 history. Scared the ever living shit out of me and the only way I could calm down was to tell myself it's in the past, we lost so many lives and destroyed so many others just so those that come after, won't have to suffer this again. And now this. How do I calm down now fam? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com 4 points 1 month ago Join the communist party, I guess. Or whatever. Make your day job an active fight for good. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com 4 points 1 month ago Join the communist party, I guess. Or whatever. Make your day job an active fight for good. permalink fedilink source parent