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[–] 258 points 1 month ago (23 children)

Remember to donate to Ukraine so they can do it again!

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  • [–] 43 points 1 month ago (3 children)
  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    Alternatively, you could blockade the tanker about to offload 300,000 tons of Russian diesel in Wilmington NC

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  • [–] 7 points 4 weeks ago

    That deal was all about lifting sanctions on Russia and trying to open back usual trade relations with them.

    The amount of diesel agreed is laughable, I think it is few hours of US consumption. It won't change prices at all. I think there might have been a private deal that benefits trump directly.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

    I'd actually put good money on this not happening. Russia isn't really geared up to deliver oil like that they're all about the pipelines.

    Also whatever tankers they do send will have to get past if fleet of pissed off European fleets. Remember countries like Estonia went through some relatively severe economic hardship in order to sanction Russia, and then the United States comes along and does a deal with Russia to save themselves from a war that they started. Perhaps maintaining good relations with the United States is no longer worth it? I could totally see an oil tanker getting bordered.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 weeks ago

    Germany elected Nazis all because the center liberal parties pinned their policies to an unpopular war and sanctions that destroyed their economy.

    The only people who have benefited since the 2014 coup have been American corporations and American billionaires.

    Piracy is all they have now.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 weeks ago* (6 children)

    I'm praying USA picks a fight with Ukraine...it will lose so badly actually, that it will finally collapse.

    EDIT: USA will lose, not Ukraine.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 weeks ago*

    I have a recent newborn and I keep thinking that when he's like 15 or so and starting to learn about world politics he's not going to believe me that the United States was want to major world player. He is going to think I am lying to him. It would be like your parents trying to tell you that Africa was once a United country and had the largest military on the planet. Looking at it now it wouldn't be believable.

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  • [+] -7 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    America is the only thing keeping Ukraine's junta afloat. 🙄

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  • [–] -1 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    Yeah Yanukovych was the last legit leader until the CIA poisoned him with dioxin... No wait...

    What the actual fuck are you talking about?

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  • [–] 5 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

    My very blue reps support genocide. They're pro Israel and pro Ukraine. I'm starting to see a pattern.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Is there a news story that prompted this or are we huffin copium

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  • [–] 110 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Now do Israeli data centers.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

    Depends on what you call bots. Yandex is a Russian search service, so it needs to constantly crawl the web, just like Google or god forbid - DuckDuckGo. This traffic is 43% down, and not what Lemmy calls bots.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 weeks ago

    Yes. It's hard to prove because ruzi trolls are mostly real people with 24 phones proxied through real resisential/mobile ips. But, these ops still need datacenters to orchestrate everything etc. So the trolls are not destroyed just inconvenienced temporarily.

    There will be very good research here in some time as it takes a lot of work to put this together as social networks do not have accessible research apis anymore. So to analyze content sentiment you need a lot of resources but there are other metrics like tracking resource utilization (like proxy pools) etc. With all that I think a good lab could produce good evidence if they wanted. The bigger problem is - why? We're already well aware of ruzi troll networks.

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  • [–] 107 points 1 month ago (31 children)

    rare opportunity to refine blocklists

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  • [–] 90 points 1 month ago (29 children)

    Russia is not using its own datacenters for fedi when they have unpaid western interns to do it for free.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Can confirm- they stopped sending me checks a while ago

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  • [–] 57 points 1 month ago (24 children)

    They're here. Not in the numbers reddit used to have, but they're here. Occasionally we get a good one too. If you find yourself being argued with unreasonably, there's a good chance that's a russian troll. They have a scent.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I immediately went to check that “SaltyAmerican” guy that often gets in my “All” feed and latest post was week ago. 🗿

    Nothing gives away a Russian troll posing as an American person like trying really hard to emphasize their “Americanness” - with those “as an American”/“we Americans”.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Who's this guy? Sounds like a fun read

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    They had a lot of posts on “Late Stage Capitalism” community, and I suspect that community as a whole may probably be run by Russian trolls. Simply because of a contrast with other lefty communities - like you can have civil conversations in most places, and in there it’s just a perpetual hate boner machine, that just wants to get you upset and angry.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    They've taken over the Late Stage Capitalism community and have started banning comments that say voting against the GOP is a good thing.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (13 children)
  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    These are old and some of them on just their techniques, but it's a good start.

    https://sh.itjust.works/post/33277983

    Hope that helps!

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  • [–] 0 points 4 weeks ago (11 children)

    I have written comments about this before, but the very simplified guide on, how to spot the russian and chinese propagandists on lemmy, is:

    • Defending russian invasion in Ukraine, defending genocide of the chinese minorities, claiming Tianamen square massacre and the treatment of uighyr people are a hoax, being racist towards tibetans, doing the "I do not support [them], but..."
    • Equating the USA = NATO, claiming everything any NATO country does is NATO as a whole doing it, blaming NATO for trying to attack Russia, saying NATO is trying to expand when border countries are joining voluntarily, blaming small border countries for aggression towards Russia
    • Talking about "the West", starting to speak about colonization times in unrelated discussions, trying to dismiss you by blaming you or you country for European colonization
    • Trying to downplay and derail discussion on what Russia/China does, because the USA/"the West"/someone else has done bad things as well
    • Writing longer and longer responses with multiple claims, often so you have to look into their sources/find reliable sources on the things by yourself, so you can argue against, in attempt to tire out out by making you answer each claim individually
    • Using chinese state sponsored sources, supporting pro-russian/chinese politicians
    • Blaming you for supporting genocide in Gaza, when you talk about some other genocide being bad, especially if it is related to Ukraine or China
    • Dissing capitalism and saying China and/or Russia are true communists, marxists, etc., supporting the governments of China/Russia, either directly or hinting they are Better Options, arguing against calling China/Russia authoritarian regimes

    You know, you found them, when your comments saying anything negative about Russia/China get downvoted, or someone starts arguing against you. Essentially there is no difference between the useful idiots and the bots and propagandists themselves. The people honestly identifying as tankies or defending tankies, are hanging in the metaphorical nazi bar without realizing it, and will not change their opinions, because they belive you are either bad, or brainwashed, so arguing does not get you anywhere.

    The easiest way to deal with these, is to block the and move on. Arguing against will only give them more visibility, and make you tired and angry. If you feel pissed off, just explain these points as an answer, so others can consider with a different perspective, what they are reading, then block and move on.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 weeks ago (8 children)

    Lmfao your list is just anyone who doesn't deepthroat western propaganda on every aspect of their "enemies"

    Do you believe western news and governments that they are not in the middle of genocide in the middle east?

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  • [–] -1 points 4 weeks ago* (7 children)

    Trying to downplay and derail discussion on what Russia/China does, because the USA/“the West”/someone else has done bad things as well

    Blaming you for supporting genocide in Gaza

    Nice try at derailing. I am against all genocide, everywhere. I do not defend nor deny European powers or the USA doing shit all around. I am talking against Russian and Chinese propaganda.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

    Oh you're against genocide!! That's great! Which third party candidate did you vote for?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 weeks ago (5 children)

    Still a miss. I am Finnish, and have the fuck all to do with the politics of the USA. There is a reason, why I am familiar with the Russian propaganda tactics.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

    Alright, I do not think I can get any better responses to deconstruct as an example, so I will do it to this exhange.

    • First attempt is pretty direct insulting, in attempt to get me angry. This is a good way to bait people into writing long explanations, on why what they said is wrong, so they can exhaust you more quickly, and start spouting more of their propaganda in return, which you are more inclined to answer enraged. Making you hurl insults at them also makes you easily look like a jerk too, to someone else reading, which might make them less likely to put any weight to what you say.
      Also notice the immediate derailing, with the tactics straight from my list, which I pointed out in the answer.
    • As I called out the attempt instead of taking the bait, and gave them a little info about my thoughts, they tried to grab onto it, and find another thing to make me write angry rant. In this case they made the mistake of assuming I was from the USA, and tried to use the democrats-support-genocide fight, since it easily causes fighting in lemmy. Sometimes they will dig through your comment history, in attempt to find stuff to use against you.
    • I offered them a bit more information - my nationality, in this case - so they immediately grabbed onto it, and went to dig something, they could use to both again to piss me off, and make me/my home country seem bad, to make what I say sound less appealing.
      Because they used such a weak thing (you can read it in that article even: the swastika-symbol was used by the Finnish air force, before nazis started to use it), it makes me believe they are just either someone trolling, or one of the useful idiots. Someone from Russia would known better examples to use, like accusing me of "russophobia", or talking about the side who won our civil war being fasciscts. They could also have accused my country for supporting Israel, because our right wing government is making weapons deals with them, which is a pretty low hanging fruit - which they seem to not have known.
      Trying to draw a link between you and nazis is a common one to use. In some other country's case they might have tried to use the European colonizing, or some military operations your country has going on. Finland is a bit more difficult on that part, since we only benefitted from the colonizing indirectly, and we are not known to meddle around that much.

    The point of all of this is: do not take the bait. Do not engage, and if you do, do not give them things to use, just point out the propaganda. I am going against that here, since I had a purpose in mind, so this was a bit of a special case. Usually I would have just blocked them.

    Now, if anyone does not trust what I say, and thinks I am a propagandist too - that is probably just a good thing, you should likely not trust internet strangers. Go read from multiple sources, like the ones linked up there, and form your own opinions. If you encounter someone filling the criteria I wrote, do not believe what is being said without doing the same, check several sources on the subject. Media literacy is extremely important right now, but that is a different subject, I will not tackle more than that here.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    Bro, get a fucking hobby, lmfao.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 weeks ago

    Thank you for your help! Explaining how this works, is easier with a practical example. Interacting with me like this, also helps to boost the visibility, allowing more people to potentially see this, and learn how to avoid falling for the propaganda, and wasting their time with it.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    100% agree. If you're explaining, you're losing. Some of the replies to your list are hilarious.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 weeks ago

    Ironically proving my point... lmao. Though I should have added, "calling Ukraine/you/your country nazis", and "trying to insult you/your country personally, being rude in attempt to get you enraged". There are probably a few more I forgot.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    That and Blackrock, who's quietly privatized all of Ukrainian public institutions. They are now feudal lords over Ukrainians who can't even vote, can't even leave.

    They're corporate serfs.

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