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No one gives a fuck about October 7.

No one cares. They used to, but then Israel spent three years showing the world why October 7 happened in the first place. After witnessing the cruelty and savagery of the state of Israel, people get it now. Everyone understands.

After Hamas launched Operation Al-Aqsa Flood on the morning of October 7, there was an outpouring of love and sympathy for Israel from around the entire world. Every major landmark from the Eiffel Tower to the Sydney Opera House to the Empire State Building were illuminated blue and white in solidarity with the Israeli people. Grown men wept. Bono permanently ruined “Pride (In The Name of Love)” by changing the lyrics to “Early morning, October 7, as the sun is rising in the desert sky, Stars of David, they took your life, but they could not take your priiiiide.”

Anyone who hadn’t been following the Israel-Palestine issue very closely was on Israel’s side that day. And then the bombs started dropping.

And dropping.

And dropping.

And dropping.

And as the bombs dropped, Israel’s approval rating dropped with them.

There are only so many children you can see shredded to bits by Israeli military explosives before you start suspecting that there’s something terribly wrong with the Zionist project.

There are only so many pictures and videos you can see posted by IDF troops dressed in the underwear of dead and displaced Palestinian women before you start wondering if there’s something terribly wrong with the culture of the Israeli military.

There are only so many Israeli polls you can see published showing overwhelming support for the Gaza onslaught before you start believing there is something terribly wrong with Israeli society itself.

There are only so many mainstream humanitarian institutions who can determine that Israel is guilty of genocide before you start recognizing exactly what it is that you are looking at.

There are only so many bombed-out hospitals, so many miles of completely flattened neighborhoods, so many grizzly accounts of Palestinian prisoners being brutally raped and tortured by Israeli soldiers you can see before all the excuses, justifications and spin stop working on you.

And once the hasbara stops working, it’s just you and the unadorned reality of the situation, staring each other right in the eyes.

The propagandists and spinmeisters have been falling all over themselves trying to frame the world’s plummeting support for Israel as an epidemic of “antisemitism”, but that’s not working anymore either. Everyone knows it’s a lie. Nobody’s buying it. It just feels like they’re insulting your intelligence.

The Gaza holocaust was the single worst thing I have ever seen in my entire life. Day after day, month after month, year after bloody year staring right down the barrel of that waking nightmare changed me forever, and there is nothing in me that will ever forget the horrors I witnessed. And the world is full of people who had the exact same experience I had.

Support for Israel is never coming back. When the lights flicker on and you see that the room you’ve been standing in is full of scorpions, you’re not going to forget what you saw when the lights go out again.

All of the events which occurred after October 7 showed the world what life was like for Palestinians before October 7. Israel threw a stone into the air and spent three years crying after the stone came down on its head.

The hasbarists have been flailing all over the place trying to erase everything that happened before October 7 and to justify everything that has happened since, but their words are just words now. They have no power anymore. And now it’s just a matter of time before the world turns against Israel to right the wrongs of the past and set everything back the way it ought to be. From the river to the sea.

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[–] 84 points 1 month ago (1 child)

October 7th was self-inflicted. Their intelligence knew what was about to happen

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  • [–] 54 points 1 month ago

    Not only that but Netanyahu supported Hamas gaining power in Palestine because he knew they were a more radical faction, and thus one he could eventually use as a reason to launch his genocidal, expansionist campaigns across Palestine and the rest of the Middle-East.

    It truly is entirely one massive false flag

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago

    The man who beats kittens daily is outraged that people accused him to be an animal abuser on the 3rd anniversary of the time a cat scratched him.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago

    Death, Death to the IDF

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Reminder that the Zionists have killed more Palestinians since their bullshit ceasefire last October than israelis killed on October 7th.

    Reminder also that since the ceasefire the Zionist regime has allowed no reconstruction whatsoever and the vast majority of survivors of the genocide are experiencing chronic food and water insecurity.

    Fuck "israel" and free Palestine.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    It's all Netenyahu's fault. He knew it was gonna happen and let it happen so he could start more genocide on Palestinians.

    I really couldn't care less about october 7th. It's old news.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    Palestine has experienced October 7th every day since

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    The event funded by Netanyahu that conveniently kept him rich, in power, and out of jail? He’s another homicidal fascist like Trump but without the child raping, although he does have Epstein tapes of Trump in the act. They are the most valuable thing he’s ever controlled— they provided US funding for genocide while we look the other way and a distraction war in Iran.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Same as 9/11. We deserved it and so much more. We didn't deserve sympathy and help continuing our assaults on the middle east. The loudest "mourners" turned that convenient opportunity into a fast track towards fascism.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I think this is a large part of why the US has enabled Israel. If we criticize them for over-reacting to a terror attack, it's the pot calling the kettle black. Hypocrisy writ plain.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Hypocrisy writ plain.

    Yeah definitely not this. These are people who revel in their ability to be openly hypocritical and watch people get frustrated when we realize there's nothing we can do about it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (4 children)

    You say that as if the victims in those towers had a choice about whats going on in the middle east

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I think a valid question is how long will you allow their memory to be desecrated? How many more deaths will theirs be used to excuse?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Plenty of Zionist prostitutes in the Western media and political class are paid to care.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    caitlyn johnstone doesn't really belong in an anti disinfo /c

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  • [+] -23 points 1 month ago (35 children)
  • [–] 57 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    The enemy of your enemy is not your friend.

    Don’t defend Hamas, they’re bad too.

    Moreover, by defending them you’re reinforcing the Israeli lie that the genocide is a war against Hamas.

    It’s not; it’s a genocide being committed against the Palestinian people, and has been since before October 7.

    So don’t buy into the framing pushed by the people committing genocide.

    Instead, center the Palestinian people.

    Focus on their rights and their humanity, and condemning the crimes being committed against them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Hamas is the military of the Palestinian people and are defending themselves in the only ways available. If you removed Hamas there would be literally nothing stopping the Israelis from finishing the genocide. So materially, criticizing them does nothing but manufacture consent for the genocide.

    You can sit on your moral high ground all you want, but your condemnation of Hamas helps Israel.

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  • [+] -15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Moreover, by defending them you’re reinforcing the Israeli lie that the genocide is a war against Hamas.

    You liberals will really contort yourself into every kind of pretzel-logic possible to protect your precious little white supremacist colonialist project, won't you?

    Instead, center the Palestinian people.

    I am... and Hamas did nothing wrong.

    Focus on their rights

    You mean... like their right to use lethal force against a genocidal white supremacist colonialist state?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    You do realize that prior to 2023, the Israeli government financially supported militant groups in Palestine including the Muslim brotherhood and hamas in order to undermine secular authorities in the region

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    So what? Two things can be true. Hamas is the militant arm of the Palestinian people and should be supported in their fight against genocide, as the Palestinian people themselves do. And also Israel funded them because they wanted a fight and an excuse to openly genocide the region.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    Netanyahu baited the hook and dangled it over Gaza. The IDF was pulled back from the border. They threw a fucking rave right along the fenceline. Everyone in the region knew it was going to happen weeks in advance, from the Qataris to the Egyptians. And the end result of the single day of protest has been a blank check from Western nations to the Israeli government to kill tens of thousands of people.

    Saying "Hamas did nothing wrong" with respect to 10/7 feels like saying the Taliban did nothing wrong with respect to 9/11. They fully stepped in it. Nobody else in the region was prepared for the consequences. Lebanon is in ruins. Iran has suffered the worst attack on its soil since the 1980s. Syria is fully enthralled to Israel. It's open season on Muslims from Libya to Afghanistan.

    Not to say that's all bound up in 10/7. But this was a trap laid by western governments that they were pushed directly into. Enormous blunder that's cost the organization everything.

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  • [+] -15 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Netanyahu baited the hook and dangled it over Gaza.

    Oh, give it a rest, liberal. Israel (supposedly) was playing 4D chess instead of suffering the exact same kind of intelligence failure that nearly all military beurocracies have suffered at one point ot the other throughout the modern era because Israel is so... special, maybe?

    the Taliban did nothing wrong with respect to 9/11.

    Lol!

    Spoiler alert, liberal... they didn't. Hell... they were barely involved.

    It’s open season on Muslims from Libya to Afghanistan.

    You mean... like it's been since the Middle Ages?

    What else do you feel like pinning on Hamas, lib? The Black Plague, perhaps?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (9 children)

    Israel (supposedly) was playing 4D chess instead of suffering the exact same kind of intelligence failure that nearly all military beurocracies have suffered at one point ot the other throughout the modern era

    Just a little "Bin Laden Determined to Strike America" Oopsie-Doodle. Nothing to see here, folks. Conveniently gave the government carte blanche to wage war on ever one of its regional enemies. But hey, shit happens. Don't think too hard about it.

    You mean… like it’s been since the Middle Ages?

    There have been more and longer wars on the European Mainland than between Middle Eastern nations. If anything, the current conflict in the Levant is just a Cold War hangover that's claiming hundreds of thousands of Arabs and Persians as collateral damage.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (8 children)

    Don’t think too hard about it.

    Right, right... and Operation Barbarossa was just an elaborate scheme finagled by Stalin to give the Soviet Union control over eastern Europe.

    the current conflict in the Levant is just a Cold War hangover

    You wanna run that by me again, Clyde? Are you trying to claim that Zionism - and the white supremacists that invented it - is just a "Cold War Hangover"?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Are you trying to claim that Zionism - and the white supremacists that invented it - is just a “Cold War Hangover”?

    Israel operates as a forward position for US military around a central hub of espionage and money laundering.

    To quote former president Joe Biden "If Israel didn't exist, we'd have to invent it".

    Fully a creature of the US empire

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Fully a creature of the US empire

    So is Saudi Arabia - but you don't see Germany trying to make "anti-monarchism" a capital offense, do you? Hell... the Islamophobia is almost as thick today as it was in 1099.

    I'd say there are some huge gaps in your reasoning.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (5 children)

    you don’t see Germany trying to make “anti-monarchism” a capital offense, do you?

    German and Saudi intelligence services have had close ties since 1954.

    I’d say there are some huge gaps in your reasoning

    Sure thing

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    German and Saudi intelligence services have had close ties since 1954.

    That doesn't prove what you think it does. And...

    Sure thing

    ...neither does your link. Even South Africa has sold arms to Saudi Arabis - in spite of our moral grandstanding on the international stage.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    Even South Africa has sold arms to Saudi Arabis

    So funny to see you libs fall back on Whataboutism the moment you get caught in a lie.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    So funny to see you libs

    Know what's really funny? .world accounts accusing others of being liberals.

    Now that's funny.

    Whataboutism

    Soooo... South Africa selling arms to Saudi Arabia is also another "Cold War leftover," I take it?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    You might want to check in on the history of the county. The South African arms industry is deeply rooted in Cold War politics.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    You might want to check in on the history of the county.

    Don't have to... I live here. And the neoliberal profiteering that the ANC-regime allows (and financially benefits from) - which includes not just selling arms to nearly every fascist regime the US supports but also being Israel's number two coal supplier in spite of it's moral grandstanding at the ICJ - cannot simply be written off as "leftovers" from the Cold War.

    Okay?

    If you need any more historical tidbits about South Africa that the average SA white supremacist "expat" will never tell you... well, you now know where to get it.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Jews bad

    EDIT: Just so we are clear, I'm making fun of shallow Lemmy thinktankers that either see the world in binary, or thru really distorted lenses where you accept evil just to spite other evil without realizing how this normalized evilness.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Considering any side of this conflict to be innocent and fully justified is a massive oversimplificstion.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Right, right... white supremacist genocide is "complicated," eh liberal?

    What's next on the liberal apologetics tour? The Warsaw Uprising justifies the Holocaust, perhaps?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    You're funny

    I'm tempted to add more since I live and Lebanon and am very directly impacted by the war, but this is too funny to take seriously.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Oh wow, so edgy, what a loser.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Again... Hamas did nothing wrong.

    Which part of that are you finding difficult to understand?

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  • [+] -13 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Repeating yourself doesn't make you any less of a basement dwelling loser.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Whining like a little degenerate white supremacist doesn't make Hamas' actions any less justified.

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  • [+] -18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I hope you get to enjoy some Hamas hospitality yourself then. If you're so supportive of them, then please do move to Gaza.

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    From the River to the Sea. Free Palestine 🇵🇸

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago*

    The world will wipe its collective arse with the flag of the Zionist terrorists. Its just a matter of time-- although it sure is taking too long.

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