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[–] 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

"Sexual force" and "young men" need some fairly large qualifications here.

  • the most.common "sexual force" was some variant of "sell yourself" or "ask again". No distinction was.made in the absract betwreen consent-respecting and consent-disregarding strategies, with all merely grouped as "sexual force"

  • The study is on college student aged men, who responded to an ask to 'tell men's side of the story", reported a hook-up in the past two years,, and either didnt clock the thin rewording of "tell me how you raped her" or continued regardless for the $10.

This is absolutely a worthwhile study and should be repeated and refined, but its not at all as described in that headline. If you want to distill it.down to a single sound bite, *65% of men claim they never employed rapey strategies" is more accurate.

(I mean, unless you consider.."ask a woman to help you connect with a date" or "sell yourself as a good hookup" rapey....)

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    No distinction was.made in the absract betwreen consent-respecting and consent-disregarding strategies, with all merely grouped as “sexual force”

    Yeah, that doesn't sound like useful data at all. In fact, it sounds like it is intentionally framed for the overwhelming 95 1% outcome that paints all men as rapists.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Asking again for sex after the first no is coercion. It is not consent-respecting.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    No means "No", not "stop asking". "Stop asking" means "stop asking". "We're not having sex tonight", "i don't fuck on a first date", and others say "don't even ask", but a mere "no" doesn't. And even asking after they say "stop asking" is itself consent respecting, because its literally a request for consent.

    Consent is the single and all-important bright line, and globbing behaviors that are merely rude or ignoble with actual coercisve.activity like "control the environment" or "express anger" is not accurate or helpful.

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