Fuck Data Centers and anyone that supports this shit
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There's a subgroup on Lemmy that will absolutely melt down if you mention data center water usage. And I can't help but think "The Water Hoax" rhetoric churning through the LessWrong community has played a major role.
However you square it, though, you can't help but consider something like this peculiar.
I don't buy it for a second that these things dont use massive amounts of water. And Google hiding it just proves that
And I can't help but think "The Water Hoax" rhetoric churning through the LessWrong community has played a major role.
Incredible, I didn’t think I could hate anyone involved here any more, and yet.
If you attack the electricity and carbon sides of data centers, you might at least be able to divert some of the money tied up in AI towards the construction of renewable energy. Those are also stronger arguments than the water usage argument. Arguing from your most defensible position(s) is generally ideal.
The energy usage is off the charts. I've spent time in data centres (a long time ago) and none of them at the time had massive water usage so I believe it's only a very wasteful subset that are being dicks.
On the flip side, data centres are taking up a fifth of all electricity usage in the whole country where I live and fucking our carbon targets so people are pissed about it.
They also do that in the Netherlands. Shady fuckers. Burn them all.
Because it’s not a data center, it’s a superintelligence factory.
Hey, you need to update the post.
UPDATE: Improper redaction reveals Lincoln’s Google Data Center water and electricity usage
You can just select the text and it'll show you the peak electrical demand was 52.65 MW and the annual water consumption was 13.299 Mgal.
Then on the next page, you can see Use Tax Paid: 47,687,666 Sales Tax Paid: 8,134,806 and Expected Refund: 55,822,472.
So, just in Nebraska, Google data centers use roughly 3 billion liters / year.
Which, to put in perspective, is about 3 days of water use for the entire metropolis of greater Vancouver. (3.11 million people)
However, using a computer cursor to highlight the redacted text box in the report to DWEE, then copying and pasting it into a separate document reveals that Agate LLC is reporting 52.65 megawatts of electricity during peak electrical demand and 13.299 megagallons of water between cooling towers, evaporative systems and site operations in the last year. That totals out to 13 million gallons of water.
For context, 13 million gallons is enough to fill around 20 Olympic-size swimming pools, and is less than half of what the City of Lincoln reports using on Sept. 29.
Ya, I was confused by this wording. Are they saying that the data centers usage for the entire year was less than 50% of the city's usage on just 1 day of the year, or are they saying that the usage per day was a bit less than 50% of the city's usage?
Why did you leave off the next paragraph?
The six data centers reporting as of Sept. 30 show a total use of 765 million gallons of water last year, enough water to fill 1,159.93 Olympic-size swimming pools.
That does not sound like a lot. Only 50'000 m³. Roughly as much as 250 households.
I have to wonder if they keep water in the news because it's pretty far down the list of problems that come with these technologies and the next generations will be closed loop cooling.
The sole fact that data on a company destroying the environment can be considered a trade secret is all you need to know.
Save this for all the people claiming that data centers don’t actually use that much water.
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