• A Google executive has reportedly confirmed that the company will combine Chrome OS and Android into a single platform.
  • This news comes after we reported in November that Chrome OS will be merged into Android.
  • This also follows Android 16’s release, which brings several desktop-themed features to the platform.

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[–] 19 points 1 year ago

So basically the thing fans have been wanting them to do for about a decade now that Samsung tried doing with Dex. I recall in the mid 2010s people were speculating the super secret project “Fuchsia” was them combining the two. Only to learn it was their embedded OS for IOT things.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Google’s plan to merge Chrome OS into Android also comes as Android itself gains several features for large displays. These additions include a proper desktop mode, desktop windowing, improved external display management features, and improved app adaptability.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Which I read as:

    Google deals the final blow to custom ROMs.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    they didn't announce they're stopping AOSP, only that Chrome OS is getting merged into it. unless you have conflicting sources?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Because Google is expert at making open source stuff become increasingly out of touch with their mainline, closed source releases, while remaining nominally open-source.

    AOSP itself used to be 80% open-source Android, and 20% Google's proprietary shit on top of it made it Google's Android. Then slowly, over the years, Google quietly moved the open source stuff into their proprietary stack - or rather, they let the open source versions become stale and innovated only in their proprietary versions. As a result, AOSP is a shadow of its former self, and on the verge of becoming irrelevant in a world where apps all but require Google's stack to function.

    They did that totally on purpose: the early days of open Android ensured its success, and now that the market is solidly entrenched, they're closing it and pushing the open players out.

    The same will happen with this ChromiumOS-AOSP frankenmonster (I'm assuming they meant ChromiumOS will be merged into AOSP, not ChromeOS, obviously...): it'll be nominally open-source but practically unusable, or at least undesriable to use. And since both will be merged, Google will be able to deprecate both at the same time with no escape path for either of the former halves for the open-source players.

    Google never does anything that doesn't serve their best interests. And at this point, usable, open AOSP or ChromiumOS ecosystems are not in their best interests.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    I'm not denying anything that you outlined and also share your concerns about Google exploiting the FOSS community.

    GrapheneOS seems to be able to side-step Google's fuckery while also having an Android OS that keeps Android's most important functions usable.

    I guess we'll see over time if the projects that don't have the funding that GOS has will be able to keep up with an increasingly hostile AOSP.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Honestly makes sense. They're definitely behind Samsungs Dex.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Can't wait to see what security features this will come with by default.

    honestly, how many people use large displays attached to a phone. I think I connected mine to a TV once to watch a movie with friends.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    @askat expect to combine

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    [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Which I will never use, thank you very much.

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  • pls someone take android away from google before they ruin it even more.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Oh god they are getting rid of adblock on Android too :D

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Hopefully everyone can start dumping support into Linux for mobile

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Android is way better than any Linux device I've used. It is very solid security wise and has apps made for mobile. Mobile Linux feels clunky since the apps are typically ported from the desktop.

    It would be better if there was a Android fork with lots of momentum and money.

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    [–] 61 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    A decade ago this would have been exciting news for mobile computing.

    Enough has changed that all I can think is, uuugh.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Enough has changed that all I can think is, uuugh. This is exactly my feeling. While I still consider Google to be the lesser evil out of all the big tech companies. They have been in freefall in the last decade. Just the amount of telemetries give me shivers.

    Also, it will be a license nightmare. As far as I know, Chrome OS is proprietary and actual Android has proper open source license.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Parts of Chrome OS are available, parts aren't. Parts of Android are available, parts aren't. Neither are really Open Source, but both have Open Source parts.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Not really as there is not Apple equivalent yo AOSP

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Google can't kill AOSP as it is under the GPL. They will always have to release the source code. Even if a lot of the apps have been abandoned the core system will still be GPL. I don't see them changing that any time soon as it would mean a total rewrite of the OS from scratch which would be insane.

    Android also is designed to run on lots of different hardware unlike Apple. I don't really see the comparison.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Two decades ago people would remember when M$ decided to do something very similar on the desktop. Nothing has changed.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I'll thank you not to refer to 2012 as "two decades ago." Felt like I drank from the wrong grail, before double-checking when Windows 8 came out.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Who's talking about Windows 8 or 2012? I said 2 decades and meant it. I wasn't talking about the same time frame, just pointing out the history we are repeating. I was talking about "United States vs Microsoft Corp." (2001). That would have been regarding Windows 98 and Windows XP. Internet ExplorerEdge is still an integral and unremovable component of Microsoft's operating systems to this day and I guess everyone really has forgotten about Netscape Navigator.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yeah it's almost like we were talking about something else entirely.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Why bother commenting at all if you're going to be proudly ignorant AND a jerk?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why did you obliquely reference a different company doing a completely different thing? Microsoft did do something very similar on desktop - making Windows 8 tablet-centric. Nothing in XP or especially 98 has anything to do with mobile computing.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's not a completely different thing. They were both trying to fully integrate the operating system and the web browser into one monolithic and inescapable thing: Windows XP + Internet Explorer to squash competition on the desktop; Linux + Chrome to squash competition on laptops; Android + Chrome OS to squash competition in the mobile space. The money to be made on operating systems is trivial in the consumer space compared to the power of control over platforms (like web browsers) that deliver advertisements and harvest data from comsumers. M$ saw the writing on the wall way back then in their fight with Netscape Navigator. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    I feel like I'm talking to an AI chatbot completely unable to reason abstractly or consider the full context of the conversation.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Ah, so there's a grain of sense in this. Shame about the aggressive irony in whinging about tone while throwing dull insults.

    The money to be made on operating systems was power over platforms, back in Windows 98 times. That's the whole reason the Xbox project emerged. They wanted to PC-ify consoles on the assumption they'd still own PCs. The project succeeded! The assumption, not so much.

    I think MS barged its way into browsers because it already owned the desktop, and browsers were the next big thing, and barging was just how they did things. And they only integrated IE in the sense you could not uninstall it. Windows obviously still ran Netscape (and later Firefox), and the OS needing a browser is vastly different from the OS being a browser.

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  • [–] 74 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Closed ecosystems are one of the reasons I don't use an Apple Watch, iPhone, or MacBook. I know I'm not the typical target consumer, but I'm not that special. There are a lot of people who specifically avoid convergence.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    This one might be different. Many Chromebook owners mostly use Android Apps when not browsing in Chrome. Chromebook tablets are great, for instance, because they are basically Android tablets with full desktop Chrome (I still use FF, though).

    Adding a full desktop browser to Android would realistically remove the need for ChromeOS, and be more efficient since it would remove the emulation requirement.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Considering Google's failure to support the tablet form factor on Android (many 1st party Google apps have much better versions for the iPad), I am skeptical this will lead to anything good.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    This is such a good business move

    Android would really help to increase competition in the desktop space.

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  • [–] [S] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Apple doesn't exactly try to converge OS platform, even forking off iPad OS from iOS.

    Microsoft's converged desktop and tablet OS hasn't been well regarded.

    Google's efforts to make Android well suited on tablets has been poorly maintained.

    I did find ChromeOS Flex on an old Surface Pro 3 to be a pretty good tablet experience. I'm cautiously optimistic about this, though I haven't tried the desktop mode on my Pixel 7.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago

    Well iPad and iPhone did have the same OS at first, so they knew how to do that. I would have preferred when they forked iPad OS out for them to have converged desktop and iPad instead of making a 3rd distinct OS variant. I can't reasonably say that a docked iPad is the same as a Mac, as commercial apps I use have different versions, with different capabilities, for iPad and Mac. Things like Adobe Lightroom andIK Multimedia Amplitube. But my Surface Pro has one set of apps whether I'm docked at home, using a clamshell keyboard case, or as a tablet and pen. That's more useful to me than having a really well polished and dedicated tablet OS.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "No shit."

    Everyone who remembers that announcement that chromebooks would run android apps.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 year ago

    I'm thinking this is the opposite direction, with the enhanced desktop mode in Android 16. You hook your phone up to a KVM and get Chrome desktop, complete with containerized Linux apps and your mobile apps staying on your mobile device.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    this is pretty good news, seeing ChromeOS supports Linux apps and is wayland-based now

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