they're hideously expensive AND ridiculously complex... but even worse, a tremendous amount of electronics that can't be fabricated in russia are involved. so as far as production is concerned - they can't make many, it'll take a long time, and it'll rely on evading western sanctions.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

thats why putin has been desperately trying to make trump and other EU members lift as many sanctions as possible.

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[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago

truth

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[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Ukraine showed us how strong they are and how much of a paper tiger Russia is.

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[–] flandish@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

it has showed us the propaganda working its formulas. i reckon russia claims the same kind of stats to their own people, no?

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[–] Clutter@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Except. Ukraine is still there. Fighting. And Russia ... Not winning.

That alone shows at least: that either Ukraine is much more powerfull then anyone thought, or that Russia is much weaker then anyone thought.

Probably a little of both.

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[+] flandish@lemmy.world -6 points 1 month ago (4 children)

i mean how do we truly know russia is not winning? i hope for that but…

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[–] derpgon@programming.dev 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

So, let's say, hypothetically, Russia has a master plan behind all this - that being the loser is somehow winning them something elsewhere. What would that be? Do they intend to look weak in order to unleash their full potential somewhere else and never intended to take Ukraine at all?

I highly doubt that.

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[–] flandish@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

“hypothetically” is exactly how propaganda works

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[–] Clutter@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

Oh come now. How do we know it? Because it's still going.. because Russia is still claiming ownership of parts that it not even has soldiers inside of.

Because Putin is panicking. He has no way out.

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[–] flandish@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

don’t get me wrong: i too have faith russia is losing. but war is foggy on purpose.

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[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

It's hard to lie about the line at the gas station.

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[–] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not so much, no. Russian media is more concerned with identity politics--discussing the 'fascism' of Ukraine, discussing recruitment of (Ukrainian) troops, the difficulties of 'liberating' a country, etc.

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[–] Molvorin@feddit.dk 17 points 1 month ago (11 children)

I guess it's soon time for Europe to invade Russia

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[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Why? Nobody wants that garbage.

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[–] pelya@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

Russians genuinely believe Europe is invading any time now.

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[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago*

eh... look, there are the putin-forever types, like maga, but I don't think they represent the majority.

I think the majority is just trying to live through these times and not run afoul of the oligarchs busy running the country into the ground. if they had half a fuckin brain they'd be lighting their own country alight, but that's another convo.

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