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[–] 21 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Maybe this is a bad take from someone with no military knowledge, but I never understand how "we need bodies for the meat grinder" so let's do conscription is often only mandatory for men?

You're either going to shove a gun in their hand and point them in the direction to shoot, have them run some equipment/weapon, or have them in a support role. Both men and women can do those things equally well.

Any very generalized physical differences between men and women would have minimal difference in the ability to carry out their tasks.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Procreation. Long term it's less worse if it's half the men that get shot

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    This assumes human women are some kind of breeding facility, which they Are not, few men won't impregnate many women if not for apocalyptic scenarios, there fore that argument doesn't work. A young mother needs a lot of support, a man that just gives his semen and disappears afterwards is not very helpful in that case. Children are a multiplayer experience for a long time, not just a moment

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    The german constitution's article 12a has a clause on drafting women for work in field hospitals, but also explicitly states they can't be forced into combat roles.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    really fucking weird comments down here. people supporting forced military service. tf

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    Some of the older, really damaged boomers I've known in my life are pro forced military service at 18. They think it will harden the youth because either they were forced into it ir they don't understand that their trauma damaged them, it made them compassionless, not stronger/better.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    If anything, the Bundeswehr should simply copy the Finnish Reserve model. One better be prepared for the fucking Muscovites as a possible deterrence, because they are far from finished. As long as Vlad receives public support, he can continue to send troops into the meat grinder and that is how the Russians wear you down. They do not give a rat's ass about losses. Nobody with a sane mind would want to be occupied by the Russians.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I think people live in a fairy tale.

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    Their life, stability, future prospects, are all based on the assumptions their government is capable to provide them, and a state's stability is at its very core in its ability to provide security internally but also externally.

    What gives a country it's authority is it's military.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    A new law introducing voluntary military service came into force in January

    If they don't have compulsory service, and voluntary service is new this year, how have they had any military at all?

    No one likes conscription, but when Russia starts invading, are you going to just let the country go undefended? If you wait to sign up until the missiles start flying, it's too late.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    If they don't have compulsory service, and voluntary service is new this year, how have they had any military at all?

    It's certainly a weird wording. Maybe German terminology and doesn't translate well?

    From reading the article and the linked article from there it seems like the idea is to get a conscription program in place but the first conscripts will be those who willingly joined. Then with the program in place they can move to "real" conscription. Maybe?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    even 10 years ago I'd side with students as there was no imminent danger to necessitate military service. Today, however, is a different story: russia is unpredictable and war in Ukraine can spill over into the rest of Europe (just watch russian TV with calls to reduce Berlin to ashes, etc.). China is flexing it's muscle and US on on the colony snatching spree itself. At this point Sovereignty lasts as long as you have sufficient armed forces to back it up.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 month ago

    Naiive, misguided youngsters…?

    Forced conscription isn’t the best way to fill the ranks and fight a war. But ironically this mandatory service actually lowers the odds of people being forcefully conscripted during an actual crisis.

    Military service incentivizes people to join the military afterwards. Having a large swat of the populace receive basic military training, also helps fill the ranks faster and better in the outbreak of a war.

    Both of which are the whole point imo. Those extra recruits are something Germany could really, really use badly and without a ready military there can’t be any convincing deterrence.

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  • [+] -30 points 1 month ago* (5 children)

    That's dumb but not unexpected. This cool "their" war evaporates first time you experience war as a victim (in most people at least) and it becomes your war as well.

    You can ran of course, but for how long considering it's going to be ww3 one way or another.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Please go see your doctor. This kind of speech could be a sign of stroke.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    You guys really gotta learn to read. I’m not gonna defend that sentence structure…. But he said all these foreign wars can become less than foreign rather quickly. He then said there’s no escaping them as they are all leading to WW3. I am 90% sure this person is not using English as their first language. But it was still comprehendible. Maybe try before you jump on the poor guy.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (1 child)
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    The person is more than likely Ukrainian using English as a second or third language. They are expressing the concern that the longer you abandon them to fight alone; the more likely you are to find yourself in the conflict. It’s understandable why kids don’t want to be conscripted when there’s a war raging 800 miles away??

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