I've worked at my current job 5+ years. The last 3 have been exceeding difficult, jaded and not inline with the corporate "culture". Biggest issue I have is the corporate culture of buy, squeeze, drop. Whatever makes profits today.

Recently got an offer at a different company, a startup. Initial offer on pay is about 1% more than current base pay. But the 401k match is much less, no bonus structure, though there are stock options (with a long vesting period).

I'm torn. I feel the current company runs like a startup still, even though they were bought by corporate 10yrs ago. So the new culture might be very similar, but with an actual potential of windfall if it gets to ipo.

I have a lot of freedom in the current position, hours as I set them (all onsite), with minimal pushback or oversite. I average 5hrs overtime a week, though would say my workload could be done in 15hrs/week at full tilt. Super stagnant and most work is reactive, "fixing" problems, that'll likely be the exact same problem in less than a year again. Unlikely to have near the same freedom in the new position.

Offered position is in a field I'm very interested in, and could lead to extreme specialization, but I do not know the long term growth possibilities beyond it being extremely niche.

Offer at new position is initially $1/hr more than the recruiter claimed was the top of the budgeted. And I haven't pushed on it (yet? Hesitant on knowing if/how far to push that with an offer already extended)

I feel so burned out at the current job, but getting an offer elsewhere has rehighlighted a lot of the benefits at the current place.

What would you do? Do I take it? Do I push more at the new place for a better base? Do I leverage the offer for more $$ at the current place?

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[–] 33 points 1 month ago (1 child)

You can ask for more at the new gig. If they offer more, give the current co an opportunity to match.

Changing jobs should get you a 10% pay bump or so ideally… not $1/hr more. If it’s a startup then the stock options are basically lottery tickets so I wouldn’t expect much.

If the new co is in a field that speaks to you then it could be worth it for a change of pace. Your current gig may want to hire you back in the future.

There’s no one right answer, unfortunately. Hope this helps anyway.

PS - what’s your skillset? I’m out here with zero jobs

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago*

    Best time to look for a job is when you have one.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago

    Every job pays you twice. Once in your salary and benefits, and once in experience. It sounds like you have a fairly cushy but stagnant job now, and you already want out.

    The real question is, is that the correct place to go?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Job hop every 2 to 5 years unless you don't think you could do much better.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    I can't really speak on whether this job is better than the current one, but there is something to say about recognizing when time is nearing to depart. Just 3 days ago I walked away from a 6-figure job (that I was at for a decade) because it became untenable. That was the push factor. Thankfully, there was also a pull factor: the idea of taking the time to spend with family and refocus on the new goals. This of course comes from a privileged position, I get that, but I began to prepare for this exit awhile back. All that is to say, don't let convenience hold you from doing what's important to you.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    It's a bad time to make a job switch generally

    Flip a coin. If the answer is keeping your job, and you feel devastated, make the change

    Otherwise, you're probably better off holding off for another 6-12 months

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Can you explain the 'bad time to make a switch generally'?

    I'm not seeing much opportunity now or in 6-12 months, especially with how The US is pushing full out for fascism or collapse.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Well, the fascism is kinda dying in the crib before it can get footing due to incompetence...

    But like... The job market sucks, the AI bubble could pop at any moment, the price of diesel is like that meme of the guy riding a bike sticking a stick into his wheel (for the economy in general). Plus the midterms are coming up, and after Trump loses Congress he's going to be an ultra lame duck with nothing to lose

    We're on the brink of unavoidable supply chain problems and a looming economic crash that could be set off by it. When that happens, a lot of things will move very quickly before the dust settles

    If you're entrenched in a job, it might be better to stick it out for a few months rather than being a fresh hire at somewhere that is funded by investments

    When the dust clears, there will be new opportunities. Needs will need to be met, and we'll have a better idea of what the future will look like

    But there's no guarantee of stability for anyone, so live your life. If you don't feel strongly one way or the other, I'd recommend waiting

    But if you think your life will be better at the new job, go for it, it could be the best decision of your life

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yeah. All of this is valid.

    I'm of 2 minds, one says it'll just continue like this as the new normal. Not crash in 6 months. The other says it's gonna happen during the midterms.

    In the end, it all just sucks.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    I don't see how this could become the new normal, we're not in a stable state. The numbers keep climbing, the math isn't mathing, and things keep breaking

    I think it'll be better once something gives though. It's the anticipation and the unknown that are anxiety inducing

    I look forward to having problems I can fight directly and knowing things will get better instead of worse

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    If you think the new job has the potential to be more fulfilling and you are willing to take the gamble they work out in the future. I would say do it.

    I took a job at my first start-up three years ago, where I actually took a pay cut. Partly because I didn't see my role still being around much longer (I was right), and I was ready to finally try a privately owned company. So sick of the big corporate culture.

    It has paid off so far. I have had many opportunities to advance and try different aspects of engineering and maintenance, including management. I also make +$25k more now than I did before changing jobs, and now work remotely.

    Though the biggest thing for me has been being able to be proud of what I do and feel like I am making a difference. I worked in engineering mostly supporting oil and gas for over a decade, and am finally working in renewables and upcycling on some pretty cool technology I actually believe in.

    I had also stayed in jobs that I grew to hate too long and literally almost died from it.

    I would still ask for something more in the offer though. It sounds a bit too lateral of a move for taking the risk.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    seems like the new gig is less secure, are you looking for other jobs?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Well described. I wonder what is stopping you from asking to take on a new project to proactively address the issues at your current place? I imagine it’s management.

    Pretty good objective conditions there. Startups are risky. Don’t factor a big payout at all in your decision.

    Don’t push the current place, but push the recruiter like a mad man because that will give you a signal to how the new place is thinking or what their strategy and management style is.

    Could also half-ass it at the current job

    Good luck!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago*

    I may be more extreme than others, but always quit, especially when there's a new position available. You spend a large part of your life on your job, it's not worth it to support such bullshit. I'd personally rather be homeless, but that's obviously not even the issue here, so go for it! And then do it again when the new one turns out to be shit.

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