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From what I'm reading, most/almost all of you are posting with well intentions. (media.piefed.social)
submitted 1 month ago by to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world
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Which is why it's a shame to see you fight each other as if that isn't the case.

I would wholeheartedly recommend reading How To Win Friends And Influence People (or at least this summary). Especially if you're trying to convince people to vote in the midterms.

Elmo (people discussing US midterms here) choosing between fruits (trying to understand before making their point) and cocaine (infighting and proving each other wrong at all cost).

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[–] 31 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'm just here to see the meme get proven right in the comments

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    • [–] 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

    We don't need good intentions. We need strategies that work and a plan.

    After watching nearly two straight years of this shit, I want to see results that fix some of these problems and stop the bleeding. I give less than a shit if we all kumbaya our way there together.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Well, the better way forward would be acknowledging that the Democratic party isn't a party and building the institutional infrastructure to respect that this is a coalition of several entirely distinct constituencies with very different views and restructure internal party politics to reflect that. Right now, the problem is the Democratic party doesn't actually HAVE a platform. It has a platform statement, most of which the "party" will never achieve because there isn't a single plank that is supported by every congress critter. About the only thing we all agree on is "Not Trump, not now, not ever" and why is entirely up to the individual.

    We also have to come to grips with the fact that what the donors want, and what the voters want, are entirely different things and both sides of that are impotent without the other. We have witnessed what happens when money runs the show. Voters don't show up and chaos ensues. We also know that without money, organizing becomes impossible in an economy where any kind of volunteer service costs individuals a whole lot more than just some free time.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    the Democratic party isn’t a party

    For better or worse (it literally cannot be worse than the Republican party), the Democrat party is the only party that can unseat the Republican party from power. That is the reality we live in.

    Vote accordingly.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    You're right, it can't be worse than the Republicans. But who are the Democrats going to be better for? Because they keep standing up and saying it won't be better for everyone, and that doesn't sound like a winning message to me.

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    • [–] 37 points 1 month ago (23 children)

    Might be my supposition, but I believe the more aggressive political posters happen to come out of hibernation specifically for election time and then go back to sleep until the next cycle.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (21 children)

    This, especially places like the latestagecapitalism@lemmy.world by K1nsey6@lemmy.world

    They banned me (as well as delete my reply) for pointing out their obvious "both sides" propaganda meant to discourage voter turnout.

    I suggest checking it out to understand what modern propaganda is like

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    complaining about people identifying the toxicity of the bipartisan consensus is just shooting the messenger. you complain about propaganda, while you yourself are reproducing a propaganda narrative.

    if the democrats actually distinguished themselves from the republicans it would motivate people to vote for them. the party most responsible for demotivating people is the democrats, rather than owning that their loyalists prefer to blame anything else.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

    Pick one

    • Democrats are loyalists

    • Democrats don't turn out to vote for their own party

    Also ML accounts always come out of the woodworks to discourage voter turn out. I wonder why?

    Edit: if you all truly believe Democrats are loyalists just wait till you hear about the MAGA movement

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (9 children)

    those two points are not contradictory at all.

    loyalists vote for the party regardless, but there aren't enough loyalists to win without a broader turnout. winning requires turnout from people that the party has failed to motivate. that was what happened last election at least.

    but yeah totally, any criticism of democrats is actually secret sabotage or whatever

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Also ML accounts always come out of the woodworks to discourage voter turn out. I wonder why?

    dawg you showed up 4 months ago and i've been here for years

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (7 children)

    What? I'm talking about the obvious ML bots/ propagandists coming out of nowhere to discourage voting by vehemently making "both sides" arguments. What does my account age, you're grasping at any straw

    Back to this topic you really want to defend: Places like the latestagecapitalism@lemmy.world by K1nsey6@lemmy.world

    They banned me (as well as delete my reply) for pointing out their obvious "both sides" propaganda meant to discourage voter turnout.

    I suggest checking it out to understand what modern propaganda is like

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (6 children)

    I suggest checking it out to understand what modern propaganda is like

    you certainly seem like a victim of it.

    They banned me (as well as delete my reply) for pointing out their obvious “both sides” propaganda meant to discourage voter turnout.

    i'd ban you from any comm i moderate for being like that too tbh.

    your account age matters cause the one with a fresh account who popped up near an election to act as a propagandist is you

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Being banned from there is an honor like, btw whoever reads this. Here's another example of propaganda: projection to muddy the water and not talk about the obvious attempts to discourage voter turnout

    Use user tags to mark users like that

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    i’d ban you from any comm i moderate

    Badge of honor. Your comments are trash and you're almost always downvoted. You've been doubling down aggressively on your garbage comments a lot over the last week.

    Also, that person joined in June. That isn't particularly close to an election. You realize people have to join Lemmy at some point during the year, right? Would you have preferred they waited until right after the election to appease your pathetic desires?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Your comments are trash and you’re almost always downvoted.

    jokes on you i fucking love getting downvoted by people like you, it's almost as good as getting blocked. catgirl-sorry

    Also, that person joined in June. That isn’t particularly close to an election.

    4 months old and complaining about how 'ML accounts always come out of the woodworks to discourage voter turn out before an election'. what elections are they supposed to have been here for?

    i just wanna review their modlog on whatever their previous account was catgirl-smug

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    jokes on you i fucking love getting downvoted

    Am I supposed to feel anything but sorry for an individual who enjoys being the loser in whatever room they walk into?

    4 months old and complaining

    I was here for 2 months before I found out what the deal was with ml and part of that learning process was hearing other people talk about them and their behavior leading up to elections.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    being downvoted by blue maga cultists rules, it's adorable that you think the points matter. it just lets me know i pissed off someone that i already dislike.

    i was here for 2 months before I found out what the deal was with ml

    sounds like you belong on reddit

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  • [+] -6 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    When both parties are beholden to the billionaire donor class then what is your argument against this?

    Unconditional support for a party we have no say in gave us Trump. The DNCCC and super-delegates gave us Trump. The Democratic party isn't democratic.

    We want democrats, not Demo©®at$.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I hope you at least get paid well for your work here.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Who said unconditional support?

    The goal is to immediately stop the descent into fascism by electing the ONLY party that can unseat the fascists THEN reform that party by voting out the assholes who can't get onboard with what voters want.

    You are not getting a viable 3rd party by November OR by 2028.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    The Democrats were a participant to genocide, and still are. They armed fascists in Israel. They armed fascists in Ukraine. The list goes on and on.

    Are you just NIMBY about fascists? I'm sorry that I don't follow your narrow chauvinist vision in regards to selective opposition to fascism.

    Nazis are bad everywhere, not just here, and even within our supposed "enemies".

    Fascists are my only enemies, wherever they may be.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    how exactly is letting republicans win helping any of that? Your not really fighting anything here. There is a better chance to reform the democratic party while not having to fight republicans on basicly everything than we have under another trump term.

    You are playing with lives either way.

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    • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

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    [–] 26 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    Why go against Trump when you can slander democrats and advertise third parties that have no chance to begin with?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    To add, in 2024 the 3rd party candidate with the most votes was magician Jill Stein, who magically appears right before elections, then magically disappears again afterward. And she got a whopping half of a single percent of the total votes cast.

    So yeah, ain't no 3rd party going to win a federal election anytime in the near or remote future. And ain't no 3rd party even really trying. So why fucking vote for them?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago

    I was thinking about this a lot recently when wasting my time arguing some tankies. Imagine a 3rd party candidate somehow magically won the presidency. Now they face a house and senate stacked with Rs and Ds. The president would be completely paralyzed their whole term, not achieving any of their lofty goals. So the 3rd party would have to get house and senate too. I never even see anyone campaining for these positions as a third party, and so there's just absolutely no credibility in any alternative candidates. Why the fuck even talk about any 3rd party candidates? Just hold your nose and vote the fucking D even if you don't like the candidate.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    You forgot to capitalize the word Demo©®at. These two words have opposite meanings.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    I see the army of redefiners is here to prove OP right. Stop this nonsense.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    They admitted in court that it's not a democratic process so they couldn't be held to that standard.

    Also, I have heard zero talk from them about transitioning from a republic to democracy, so they are also republicans as I see it.

    Words can be hard. I get it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Words can be hard. I get it.

    This coming from the person who apparently thinks political party names are literal. Do you think the nazis were socialist? It's in the name so it must be true!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    You do not capitalize the word democrat unless you're talking about members of a corporate controlled party within the United States. What's so hard to understand?

    Do you really see the idea as exclusive to you? I get it. Americans don't see democracy as universal, just some selective cudgel you weaponize to steal natural resources. It's not. It's a universal human right that we all are entitled to.

    Democrats are not democratic. They just aren't.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago*

    Right. My point is that political parties very often don't operate the way their name might suggest. Assuming Democrats would have internal processes that are democratic is, unfortunately, not a safe assumption to make.

    Edit: Reread the thread. I guess that means your original comment was right. I still think it's dumb to insist on using "nicknames" like "Demo©®at" though, and especially when you're discussing the meaning of words it only serves to confuse the conversation, because you're actually referring to the entity that everyone else would just call "Democrats". It's unclear what distinction is being made.

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