Immediately after this she also says that short-term gains & geopolitical power (ie USA).
She just says that racism allows such a system to even exist.
Immediately after this she also says that short-term gains & geopolitical power (ie USA).
She just says that racism allows such a system to even exist.
I think it's probably more the geopolitics, Isreal is in deep with the Military Industrial Complex, the US Intelligence Agencies, and the future plans the US has for the Middle East (namely the agreement between the US, Israel, the Saudis and India to create a trade passage through the area).
But yeah, if you look at Peter Thiel's work with Israel's intelligence R&D company Carbyne you'll find US agencies near by...
...and lots of these shadey dealing go back generations and have been done by Republican and Democrat Presidents. I think it was Obama who agreed to give Israel 38 billion to buy US weapons - an agreement which basically made the US the sole external supplier for their munitions.
I suppose beyond that it's historical, religious, and racial... But there's more to it than that.
She explains exactly this, the meme just cut it all out.
youtube.com/watch?v=Hk1WEhO07Bw&t=759
Immediately after "racism" she also says that it's for short-term gains & geopolitical power (ie USA).
Continuous racism is what allows such a system to even/still exist.
I mean, racism might make it easier for the US to push forward with less resistance, but the relationship with Israel has always seemed more steeped in religious/geopolitics than anything else. For the US they like having a strong tie to a nation centered in the middle east, and there are some weird Christians who believe that they can enable the second coming.
Politicians' religion is money and power. Other religions are just a way to manipulate mass opinion.
This is a very cynical take, but I'm going to be more cynical and say that, no, I still think that some politicians are religious wackadoodles. Power flows not to the just, and not even to the Machiavellian, but with a high degree of randomness. The world is chaos, and not even the most powerful can tame it.
It took six decades to get here, I'm hard-headed, you know? I didn't want to believe it, but I can't live in denial, anymore.
The world is chaos,
Sure
and not even the most powerful can tame it.
One side makes plans and can't manage random variables; the other rides the lightening with audacity and wins. IDK how that works. If we're doing cliché, fortune favors the bold, I guess? 🤷♀️
Geopolitical power is the only reason, especially for the initial decision (USA could have dumped Jews in Palestine & aided them in getting citizenships in the holy land, but that's not how USA gets their marionettes - they instead pump cash intro local terrorist groups until one forms a government & takes over which nets them a sympathetic gov/county reliant on them ... at a human cost we can't even comprehend).
The religious etc reasons are purely what has been used for 80 years by the USA for their purposes (and has since entered, via USAs political power, in the core belief system of their colonies).
There's also the concern that if support for Israel is dropped, an Iran-led coalition will go to war with them. Israel being attacked is unimaginable to a lot of people that grew up in the shadow of ww2.
Iran real only enemy is the USA. Doea they really think that Iran want to crush the whole west?
I mean, it isn't a concern so much as an obvious fact. If the West dropped support for Israel, Iran and its allies would be invading within the hour.
she's not wrong, if it were white people that were being killed there would be more reaction
heck, trump made up a white genocide in south Africa just to make them look bad
She's not wrong, but also not 100% right. Racism plays a part, but there's also a good helping of "I've got mine" along with a whole lot of money tired into the military-industrial complex
Another comment mentioned that she did, in fact, elaborate this right after
There's a reason that class consciousness is social consciousness.
Eh, not necessarily. Class consciousness is important, but thinking that it completely overlaps with social consciousness not true. People compartmentalize things.
For example male black homophobes are common in America; Which is ironic because one would think that a black male would understand how it feels being a marginalized caste. Nevertheless, they do not transfer there own experience of racism with their own actions against homosexuals.
So my point is, being class conscious does not guarantee someone to become social conscious as well.
Being bad at one is what makes you bad at the other. Nazbols aren't class conscious, the term means more than "vaguely aware that the rich run things and maybe they shouldn't"
Restating your prior point in a different way doesn't make it any more or less correct. The point is these two things seem to be independent from each other, which, if true, would already disprove the modified claim you are presenting.
The issue is, there exist plenty of people who are bad at both, good at both, and bad at one and good at the other. This pattern doesn't support a strong connection between being class conscious and being socially conscious.
The thing about explaining simple math like x=y is that the slower, stubborn students that don't know or understand how these letters can mean numbers usually just need it to be phrased a different way because they're hung up on some irrelevancey.
The correct method is to actually articulate the irrelevancy; but that takes real work... Either that or perhaps the teacher doesn't understand what the irrelevancy is, so instead, they resort to just repeating the same thing: not internalizing that perhaps the math isn't as simple as they think.
Hell yeah. We've even got people who voted Trump despite illegal immigrants in their family, or being married to one because: "he's only going to deport the bad ones".
There's also people who themselves came in the same way but eventually did get legal standing/citizenship yet are in full support of what's going on now.
Remember how the world jumped to save insert long list of European countries during WW2 or the siege of Sarajevo?
The fact that both sides are the same race in this just makes it funnier
You mean when America dragged its feet entering WW2? I suppose Canada jumped in to help but we're a commonwealth country.
Systemic is an important word to include. Systemic racism.
Is this that weird, newfangled definition of racism where the actual beliefs and intentions of the actors arent considered, but the outcomes of a particular racial group are, so any action that makes a racial group worse off relative to any other racial group is racism?
Because if so, this statement seems very cart-before-the-horse. "If all racial groups were equally impacted by all actions, this wouldn't be happening" is true, I guess... But it's kind of like saying "if no one ever got murdered, this wouldn't be happening."
Systemic racism refers to the systems and structures that create and perpetuate racial inequality in society, affecting various aspects of life, including wealth, employment, housing, healthcare, education, and the criminal justice system. It's not just about individual prejudice, but rather about the deeply embedded discriminatory practices, policies, and beliefs within institutions.
Vote for non aipac politicians
Aipac's sole job is to make that either impossible or unlikely to work. They're very good at that.
They make it harder but everybody who know how to use internet can educate itself and vote for the right people
What does that mean?
American Israeli Political Action Committee - a very right wing group that backs politicos seeking election while ensuring the strings attached include unquestioning support for Israel.
Money for US politicians, weapons for Israel and more dead palestinians.
Israel is the West’s ally so the West backs Israel
Ethics are only used to draw support to your side, they don’t really exist
Because of the USA
Europe isn't doing much either. Especially Germany and Italy stay on Israel's side.
Germany at the very least are very overt about their "unwavering support for Israel" being wholly because they're "the Jewish Nation", which is about the purest Racist motivation possible.
One might claim, as others did, that for the US geostrategical concerns apply, but for Germany the only reason for their support of that nation whilst it murders Palestinian children is the ethnicity of the genociders.
it's ironic they used to genocide jews and now by trying to not step on their toes again, they once again choose the side of facism and genocide, same for Italy
edit: removed accidental formatting
It's doubly ironic that by insisting on the idea that a nation committing such a violent Genocide represents all Jews - and doing so against actual Jewish voices saying that "they do not represent us" - they're implying that all the horrible actions commited in this Genocide are Jewish things to do.
So Germany is back at associating being a Jew with some of the most horrible things a person can do AND at telling Jews that they know better what the nature of being a Jew is than the actual people who are Jewish and deny that Israel represents them.
Instead of Humanism were the duty of compensation is to the actual victims independently of race, they anchored their theatre of making amends on good old race discrimination and racial prejudice (only supposedly "positive") so naturally and as was bound to happen, ended up in their traditional racist tropes of "knowing better than Jews what beings Jew is" and "associating being a Jews with horrible actions such as murdering babies".
The folklore and symbology of Nazism might have been made illegal, but the way of thinking about other people as nothing more than members of races who should be treated differently depending on race, and which is the foundation of Nazism, is alive, well, and continuing to be promoted.
She's right.
the full quote, which is actually quite accurate and succinct:
"Because of racism, that's the simple answer I would say. Racism, and uh, basically, desperately trying to defend a destructive deadly system, that systematically puts short term economic profit, and to maximize geopolitical power, over the well being of humans and the planet. And right now it's very very difficult to morally defend that, it is impossible, but still, they are desperately trying which is... absurd is not the word, but there are no words to describe it."
I love that Greta's very existence triggers the right. You may not agree with her methods, but it's undeniable that she gets attention on the issues she finds important. She's doing more than me and anyone I know for issues I find important, and I admire her for that.
It's sad that this statement is true to the core, but I've seen statements and videos of Israelites literally claiming that Palestinians are not considered human. They are considered beneath, or less than human due to their belief, and that is how they are justifying their ethnic cleansing of the area.
It's a damn injustice that they clipped that quote down to "racism".
I mean....is it?
Sure, the extended quote gives more reason and specific examples and highlights the moral bankruptcy of an economic system which never benefitted anyone but its own elite, and now has to cannabilize its values and populace to perpetuate its own existence even as it erodes under the weight of its own demand for consumption and profit while shedding every ounce of legitimacy like a rabid dog shaking off fleas...
but if you weren't raised as a middle class or above white person in the West, you already knew it was racism.
THIS is what you consider an injustice? Pathetic.
Go drink some water, pal. I thought it was a very well worded statement, and stripping it down like so really robbed it of a lot of its potency, imo. It's fine to disagree with me, that's your business, but to extrapolate that I consider this narrow quoting to be the injustice of injustices in this world is a little goddamn silly.
The correct word would be chauvinism: racism is chauvinism based on racial differences, but it could also be based on wealth or religion, on food preferences or anything arbitrary...
chauvinism is the root cause for all evil in the world
I would argue that is misleading only because it removes the central operating mechanism of the West's massive accumulation of wealth and domination of global politics; namely, the ideological belief that not only are Europeans superior, but that they are superior as a function of immutable, natural characteristics that can be elucidated through reason, intellect, and scientific inquiry and observation.
To cheapen the global Western project of white supremacy by simply calling it a derivative of chauvinism belittles the intentionality and institutionalization of the cultural project and lends credence to the idea that Europeans simply did what any other group would have done under the circumstances. Besides the apologist rhetoric apparent there, it also gives ammunition to the argument that the descendants of these people hold no responsibility for inheriting such a legacy, and therefore have no incentive to stop its perpetuation.
There are other factors. And they're all rooted in racism.
Even the corruption of things like AIPAC. It's racism weaponized via bribery and blackmail. I don't know what AIPAC is called in other countries and don't care. But I know it exists. And its all just racism.
There is no grey area here. There is no debate. There are no "buts" here. An illegal settler occupation is ethnically cleansing an indigenous population. There is good and evil. And the ones doing the slaughtering are evil. Categorically, ontologically, indisputably evil. Period.
Okay, but the question is about why the world is not reporting it, not why Israel is doing it. Racism and secularism are the main culprits for the way it's being reported.
Yeah, no one is innocent here. No one. I don't see Hamas genociding Israelites here though, do you? Secularism is for sure at play here. Christian nations are against the dirty Palestinian Muslims and their barbaric practices /s. They got most of their book from Judaism. They all worship the same fricking God though, Muslims included. You can't make it make sense, and it never will to outsiders unfortunately. I am not uplifting anyone into the spotlight, but at least some people ha e actual morals.
I'm glad everyone is listening to her and not giving a shit about what you think
If that's what passes for an insult these days, I'll happily take it! This world could use more people with vivid imaginations rather than blowhards who get bunched up over semantics.
Ah yes, the self-righteous, condescending ideologue: the historical harbinger of progress and justice.
This is a naive way to look at a news article.
She may have elaborated further but do you really think the press is going print an essay over a sound bite? Especially on social media?
Greta has made longer statements on this, why not look them up before thinking you know something you don't?
Who benefits from her elaborating? I think the one word quote does an adequate job of naming the problem clearly and making it recognizable.
One word answers in a headline are almost always done with express intent of ragebaiting people on social media because it helps algorithms promote posts if people respond to them. Its not about clarity, its about ambiguity
You're right about the intent, but it still doesn't diminish what I said. Racism also goes a long way towards explaining the methods that Western media excuses to rationalize violence against the rest of the world (see: all the reporting about Israeli airstrikes in Iran or the anti-immigration protests in N. Ireland)
The sooner we call a spade a spade instead of arguing over specifics, the less people will die.
So if we ship the Palestinians to say Australia, and the Palestinians get support of money and weapons from a major superpower and then start to take land and resources from Australians and start to bomb them to dust. It will be ignored like how it is now?
$$ Money $$
There's no money in helping Gaza.
That's only kind of true. There's a lot of money that could be found in funding Gaza. As someone made a point elsewhere in this thread. Money was made in Ukraine due to us funding it and some creative accounting, but the smart money move was to allow Russia to invade and save money/exploit off the back of the chaos.
In an almost identical way the U.S. could have funded Gaza and made money dragging out the war, but it didn't happen because of decades of entrenched racism and Zionism.
There was no money in helping Ukraine, yet it was done. 100% lack of optics due to racism.
Not directly, but by sending weapons etc to Ukraine, the US can basically wage war against Russia with no casualties of their own, while replacing the old stuff they send with new stuff, as well as justifying more military spending in the budget. For the right people, there's plenty of profits to be made.
Ukraine is one of the worlds bread baskets and critical to global infrastructure. There was very much money in helping Ukraine.
A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction. . . . American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. . . . This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. . . .Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. . . . In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
Dwight D Eisenhower's farewell address, 1961
There was absolutely money in Ukraine. When you read "billions of dollars in weapons sent", if Ukraine received the weapons who do you think received the billion dollars?
I would say “interests at large” rather than dollars.
Ukraine is military strategic interest (nobody in Europe wants to have Russia to randomly decide to start a war with an EU country)
In Middle East (with oil) is dollars
In Taiwan is military strategic interest
On the other side of the spectrum? Myanmar, Gaza, random African conflicts, etc
There's rare earth minerals.
Gaza has nothing other than beachfront real estate, but you got to remove them in order to take advantage of that.
Because Trump is a Russian asset and defunding Ukraine benefits Putin.
Your basic understanding of global politics is shit, mate.
It’s your lack of basic reading comprehension. See, she said “racism”, not “ONLY BECAUSE OF racism”.
See those extra words? They modify the context.
Oh boy, now I have to define context…
Not sure if it is just racism here in NL or because the Ukraine war is more important for us here since it is a lot closer and more relevant than us.
The bullshit in the US is also something we have a bigger impact on than the war in Gaza even though we will have new elections soon.
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