The EFF found cops writing “idiot,” “WEIRD KID,” "blah," "leave me alone," and button mashing in Flock's 'reason' box.

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[–] 57 points 1 month ago (2 children)

A cop who wrote “idiot” got away with it because by the time the department learned about it, it had passed a 90-day time period in which the cop’s union contract allowed for internal investigations.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 month ago

    ACAB. Flock is big brother

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  • [–] 27 points 1 month ago

    The reason box should require a warrant number. What the fuck.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    The fact that these even exist is bad enough, but the fact that they simply just allow such blatant abuses is unconscionable. Every one of these "reasons" need to be audited. Realistically, they should require a warrant.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Odd how similar those reasons are to my git push messages..

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    I love how actual news stories sound like posts from the onion now.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    I don't get why this comes as such as big surprise. It's human nature. I grew up watching funny home videos and CCTV videos etc. Cops have access to the system, I think most others would abuse it the same way.

    It's a gross invasion of privacy and Flock should be banned everywhere. it's disgusting how it can easily be abused and should be avoided at all costs. Imagine what Joseph James DeAngelo would have done with access to Flock.

    Catching a quick glimpse of a person that they deemed attractive could end up being high end stalking.

    The bad very much outweighs any good that these cameras are alleged to help with. Fucking traffic violations?

    Okay, maybe tracking a murderer etc. might be a good use of the system, but the ratio of that happening, and what they are being used for is ridiculous.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    The bad very much outweighs any good that these cameras are alleged to help with. Fucking traffic violations?

    Okay, maybe tracking a murderer etc. might be a good use of the system, but the ratio of that happening, and what they are being used for is ridiculous.

    I reject the notion that mass surveillance has any valid use whatsoever, even including tracking murderers. The mere existence of the system has chilling effects on the non-criminal citizenry that makes it absolutely categorically unacceptable regardless of what alleged benefits it tries to claim.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Ah yeah, I don't agree with it either, but if pushed and playing devil's advocate, I can see that it might help catch a murderer or rapist.

    It still doesn't outweigh the bad that it does though, imho.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Well sure human nature exists but there's also professionalism - unfortunately in many parts of the country these people take an intelligence test to screen out the high scorers.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Yes, they are trained, but it's in their nature to abuse that system. That's probably why many of them become cops. Computer repair people used to snoop through private photographs and videos (possibly still do).

    It's like dangling a carrot in front of them. But instead of punishing them for abusing the system, the system shouldn't exist.

    There literally should be penalties on local elected officials for every attempt at invading privacy on any scale, but on a scale that high, it's crazy.

    Tech are lobbying for it the world over, and at the moment they're winning.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Most people might, a lot of people appreciate a little gossip, drama. However, ones integrity must take over when in positions of power. What we are seeing is that the cops implicated here, and their protectors, are lacking integrity.

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  • Exactly. If we're going to have these systems at all, they should be retroactive-only and require a warrant to access at all. For example, if some masked person robs a bank and gets away, at that point police can go to a judge and ask for a warrant to access the camera records. They can then hopefully use the records to catch the thief. But there should be no way to access the camera feeds live, and all access should require a warrant. In fact, the police shouldn't even have accounts to access the cameras. There should be an office within the court system, and that office should be the only people that can access the camera footage.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    It's as much a joke to them as it is to the rest of us. The most flaccid form of oversight imaginable.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    «asdfg» is going into my «professional resume» of excuses.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Shocked. Well not shocked. Surprised. Well not surprised. Mildly amused. Well. What an absurd time we live in.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
    [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Any tool can be used for good or evil.

    TIL cops are evil.

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    [–] 23 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The EFF was able to do this analysis because of the way that Flock documents police use of the system. Each time a search is performed, a record of it is saved in the Flock system, which can be obtained by the public using government records requests. These audit logs show hundreds of thousands of searches of the system; after 404 Media and other news outlets used these types of logs to show police using the Flock system to look for undocumented immigrants on behalf of ICE, a woman in Texas who had an abortion, and protesters, cops were warned by government surveillance centers to be “as vague as permissible” about the reasons for their searches. Late last year, Flock changed its system; rather than having to type in a reason, Flock now has a drop-down list of prepopulated reasons, which the EFF called “a loss for transparency.”

    The EFF contacted departments whose cops performed these “joke” searches, and found that many of them did not do anything about cops who button mashed or put jokes. Cops who wrote “hehe” and “idk” were “counseled,” they were told. A cop who wrote “idiot” got away with it because by the time the department learned about it, it had passed a 90-day time period in which the cop’s union contract allowed for internal investigations. Several other police departments said they would investigate the behavior. The Fishers Police Department in Indiana said that a detective who searched Flock for reasons of “blah” only did so “when he has issues with the technology,” or when “the technology is not moving fast enough for him.” A police department said it investigated a cop who wrote “driving around being weird” in the reason field but found it was for “legitimate public safety purposes.”

    Easy solution:

    Federal law that requires any sort of abuse of power by police is a felony and prevents them from ever working anything near law enforcement.

    Get rid of the "bad apples" and ensure the remaining cops understand the balance of power.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    That's not a solution. We've had measures like that implemented for decades. It approaches the problem from an individual and up perspective.

    The issue is not "bad apples". All these measures do is force the obscurity of the issue. Right now we see an obvious abuse of power because of these obviously unserious reasons.

    It's a symptom not the problem. Would the police oppression change if the prompt got filled with an AI generated string of that sounded professional? No.

    Individualized solutions that treat the problem as individual are treating symptoms; not the problem.

    It's the same reason ICE and the police aren't going to be any better with body cameras. The problem was never the witnessing of the crimes. The problem has always been the protection of the institutions by those with economic and political power.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    For those who are slow like me: "asdfg" is the order of keys on the home row left to right. It doesn't stand for anything.

    This took me way too long to figure out.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Audit trails mean nothing if nobody is looking at them.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    Completely backwards....

    If there's no audit trail, no one can ever look at them.

    If there's an audit trail, then later someone can follow it. Even if no one is right now.

    So often the time they're most valuable, is when the people that need audited don't think anyone will ever look.

    This is a self reported list of cops that should be barred from ever working law enforcement across the country, that's immensely valuable even five years from now.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago
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    [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Most literate cops

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Well, as long as they had good reasons 🙄.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    does the g mean they home row with their thumbs too?

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    [–] 34 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The world doesn't hate cops nearly enough, so it's grand that they keep creating new reasons... I guess...

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    [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I would literally rather be murdered than have a flock camera prevent it

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