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[–] 59 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Cute. And they even got their trained pet news agency to write a whole article about it

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    How precious

    Still have millions of American children starving, yes? Tens of millions of Americans without healthcare? glad to see that this was so much more important…

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    But Israel need support , and ammo ,lots and lots of ammo,

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (3 children)

    Yeah, well, so does Tennessee

    Except they’re actually Americans

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Why need Tennessee lots and lots of ammo ? , revolution ?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago*

    If anything, counterrevolution, because there’s a lot of brainwashed people there that like to stay stuck in their religious delusions/cults and are anti-progress. Their “religious freedom” involves suppressing others who don’t agree with the cult of their Semitic sky wizard.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    What exactly does this accomplish? Or is it just more masterbatory self-affirmation bullshit?

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Voted for the resolution: Kathy Castor (FL), Henry (TX), Don Davis (NC), Jared Golden (ME), Vicente Gonzalez (TX), Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (WA), Darren Soto (FL) and Gabe Vasquez (NM).

    Voted present: Reps. Chrissy Houlahan (PA) and Maggie Goodlander (NH).

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago*

    Marie Gluesenkamp Perez

    Also a staunch Zionist and a huge fan of AI. She took the seat after redistricting swung it from 60/30 R to 51/49 D.

    If you wonder why people despise Democrats, this woman is a textbook example of why.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    What this is actually about:

    This is pure Republican PR. They included a poison pill in the resolution so that Democrats would vote against it, and then they can associate those Democrats with socialism. The reality is that far more than 8 Democrats would have voted in favor of the resolution of it hadn't included that.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    The Democrats who supported the resolution included:

    Reps. Kathy Castor of Florida,
    Henry Cuellar of Texas,
    Don Davis of North Carolina,
    Jared Golden of Maine,
    Vicente Gonzalez of Texas,
    Marie Gluesenkamp Perez of Washington,
    Darren Soto of Florida and
    Gabe Vasquez of New Mexico.

    Those who voted present were

    Reps. Chrissy Houlahan of Pennsylvania and
    Maggie Goodlander of New Hampshire.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    The Democrats who supported the resolution included Reps. Kathy Castor of Florida, Henry Cuellar of Texas, Don Davis of North Carolina, Jared Golden of Maine, Vicente Gonzalez of Texas, Marie Gluesenkamp Perez of Washington, Darren Soto of Florida and Gabe Vasquez of New Mexico. Those who voted present were Reps. Chrissy Houlahan of Pennsylvania and Maggie Goodlander of New Hampshire.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Marie Gluesenkamp-Perez's name comes up on these "defections" with regularity. She is essentially a moderate Republican, but that's not a thing anymore, so she's a Democrat. Her district is historically rather red, so we are unfortunately unlikely to get anyone better there anytime soon.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Yep. Within the city limits of Vancouver WA it's becoming more reliably blue, but as soon as you hit unincorporated Clark county...well there's a confederate monument. And Clark County is probably less red than the other counties also in the district. I do have my frustrations with Gluesenkamp-Perez, but we were depressing close to having the clown-show that is Joe Kent as our representative.

    I think things are slowly changing, but unfortunately there's still so many people here who's whole schtick when it comes to politics are "HURRR DURRRR WE AREN'T PORTLAND LIBTARDS".

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)
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    "We're capitalists. We believe in a capitalist system and rules and laws," the California lawmaker said Tuesday morning Who's we? People seriously call themselves capitalists when it's not immediately followed by a justification for slavery with extra steps, crimes against humanity, or planet-destroying surveillance technology?

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    The only people who can't afford socialist policies are the wealthy. And if you are reading this, that is not you.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago

    Definite socialism.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago*

    “They’re trying to force us all into brutal gulags, suppress dissent, torture us and kill millions of people!”

    — Says the people who support forced prison labor, solitary confinement, waterboarding, suppress dissent and the ongoing death of millions through economic imperialism.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (5 children)
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    We must condemn this disgusting idea of the government actually helping its citizens!

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    [–] 15 points 2 months ago (24 children)

    Okay, then disassemble your military. No more paid education, healthcare, housing and subsidized groceries. That is, after all, socialism.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (23 children)

    Roads, police, fire departments, all socialism too.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (22 children)

    The police and military are not socialism. Socialism is not “when the government does stuff.” Ghenghis Khan was not a socialist.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (20 children)

    Never tried to define socialism like that lmao, practice that reading comprehension. Also I'd never call Genghis a socialist but honestly he was closer than most people would think, for instance look at that advanced tax system with exemptions for doctors, educators, and poor people...his empire was shockingly progressive, I highly recommend looking into it more.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago* (19 children)

    Never tried to define socialism like that lmao, practice that reading comprehension.

    You literally said that the police are socialist.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (18 children)

    Really? Doubling down on showing that poor reading comprehension.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (17 children)

    Roads, police, fire departments, all socialism too.

    police, socialism too

    Sure buddy.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (14 children)

    Says the person who thinks police are socialism, lmao.

    And yes, that is what you said, anyone can see it plainly and there is no other interpretation no matter how much you try to pretend otherwise. What a bizarre form of trolling.

    I'm guessing you have some dumbass leap of logic to justify how saying the police are socialism doesn't actually mean the police are socialism, so are you going to actually explain what kind of insane thought process is going on in that head, or do you have nothing going on in there at all?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    I never said I didn't call police socialism...LEARN HOW TO FUCKING READ.

    I said I never defined socialism as "government does something" or whatever bs you said in the beginning, I'm not looking that far back.

    Once again, go get some reading comprehension.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (12 children)

    You literally said that the police are socialist.

    Really? Doubling down on showing that poor reading comprehension.

    I never said I didn’t call police socialism…LEARN HOW TO FUCKING READ.

    Dumb bit you're doing but knock yourself out I guess. It's kinda pointless to blatantly lie when there's a record of everything you said.

    First you said police are socialism, then you denied saying that police are socialism, then you denied denying that the police are socialism. You're ridiculous.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    There's no possible way you really are this stupid right? You genuinely need to learn how to read, holy shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (10 children)

    Instant hack to win any argument: just say, "You didn't understand what I wrote, LEARN TO READ!" over and over again.

    It's obvious you're full of shit and have literally nothing, that's why that's your only response.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Notice how you kept switching what was at the end of "police are...". I even pointed it out earlier and you still didn't get it lmfao.

    Seriously though practice your reading comprehension, everyone need it, even me.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (8 children)

    So your whole dumbass trolling was over the absolute pedantry of "the police are socialist" vs the "police are socialism?"

    You really are just reaching for whatever desperate form of meaningless pedantry you possibly can in order to troll and to get out of the fact that you have zero idea what you're talking about.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Go read through your comments here and look for when you tried arguing that I was saying socialism is "when the government does stuff". That's it, that's the core of the whole argument lmao.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    I literally never said you said that. LEARN TO READ! GO BACK TO SCHOOL, IDIOT! LMAO YOU HAVE NO READING COMPREHENSION 🤣🤣🤣

    See, I can do your thing too.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Holy fuck dude, you actually have a toddlers level of comprehension abilities. Seek professional help, for real, it's an absolute marvel how you are typing or how you manage to feed yourself.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    There's no fucking way dude...so you actually can't read, like it's not even a comprehension thing.

    No that's not what I'm talking about, go back to the beginning and see what you tried saying I defined socialism as, that's the entire argument that we had even though you were too dumb to even realize it. And then after that you just kept misreading every single comment, you just are so stuck on something you imagined I said and refuse to actually fucking read our "conversation". I even called it out in the middle and quoted you, that's the crux of our whole debate.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    I literally quoted you word for word on everything, except for the part at the beginning where I clarified that socialism isn't when the government does stuff, which I never claimed you said.

    Even if you weren't lying, bluffing, and trolling, which you absolutely 100% are and have been this whole time, there's no excuse for you to keep accusing me of misreading and not having reading comprehension instead of saying the fucking thing you're accusing me of misreading. We could have been having a productive conversation this whole time but no, because you're just a troll who'd rather do this bit of pretending I misunderstood something.

    Communicating badly and acting smug when you're misunderstood is not cleverness.

    You are a worthless pedant and a troll.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I literally did point out where the original miscommunication was and attempted to clarify but you continued hurling insults instead of just fucking reading.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Where? No you fucking didn't.

    The only reason I started hurling insults was because you refused to clarify anything at any point in favor of going "LEARN TO READ YOUR READING COMPREHENSION IS SO BAD LMAO" over and over again, without actually pointing out ANYTHING that I supposedly misunderstood at ANY stage of the conversation. All of this could've been avoided if you had done that.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    Truly, that is the issue most salient in the US right now.

    Not right wing authoritarianism, decay of the checks and balances, large scale vote manipulation, and the economic squeezing of the population

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    But two moderate Democrats — Golden [Maine] and Gluesenkamp Perez [Washington] — defected and helped the procedural vote succeed, putting some of their Democratic colleagues in a politically tricky situation. 

    House Democratic leadership condemned Golden and Gluesenkamp Perez's decision later Tuesday.

    "The decision by two of our colleagues to blindside the entire House Democratic Caucus and join with the Republican majority to pass a procedural rule on the brink of failing represents a significant breach of trust. It is an action that necessitates a serious response, and we have asked the Committee on Caucus Rules to take this up in short order," House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries said in a joint statement with House Minority Whip Katherine Clark and Democratic Caucus Chair Pete Aguilar.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The way this should be phrased is "Many Democrats join Republicans in condemning Social Security and Medicaid. Vowing to end social programs that help Americans."

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    Performative bullshit. Socialism already exists in this country. See US Agricultural as an example.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    "in all its forms"

    So, the military is condemned by the house, then? The US military is one of the biggest socialist organisations on the planet. It's almost like these fucknuts don't think before they speak.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    This is my biggest argument for socialized healthcare. The military can do it for all the families and it’s pretty fucking good(servicemember healthcare is garbage). Most people walk away from a childbirth only spending a few hundred and only because the hospital cafeteria is criminal pricing.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    The military is not socialism. Socialism is not "when the government does stuff." Ghenghis Khan was not a socialist.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    I refer here to the tax-payer funded benefits service members and their families receive simply for being part of the military.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    That still doesn't have anything to do with socialism. It's a capitalist country giving perks and benefits in exchange for labor. That's like saying that a private corporation with a health plan is socialist.

    Even universal healthcare isn't really socialist. There have been constitutional monarchies where the king instituted universal healthcare.

    Socialism means that the workers are in control of the means of production. There are different interpretations of what form that should take, but nothing about a system where capitalists control the means of production and occasionally do nice things to their underlings to keep them loyal and productive has anything to do with any form if socialism.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Who controls the means of production for the military, is it the soldiers or the joint chiefs?

    Why do Americans conflate socialism with social programs?

    There is 0% of socialism in any military.

    Socialism is the democratization of the workplace, that is all.

    Single payer healthcare is not socialism

    Building roads and infrastructure is not socialism.

    Snap and ebt are not socialism.

    The post office is not socialism.

    Getting free stuff is not socialism.

    Socialism is when workers control all means of production and decide what to do with what is produced.

    There would be no capitalists in socialism because they would be illegal.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Social - security. It's in the fucking name! Some of us will need it to survive in old age after a fucking Bank figures out how to steal our house so they can sell it to a young couple about to have a baby....to continue the cycle of labor profit extraction. Zero for is. All for them.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Labels bad, widely supported and working policies good. Too bad this congress won't actually do it's job.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    The DSA's mistake was using the S word in its title. What they represent is not "socialism," and that word makes it too easy for other politicians to promote shit like this ridiculous resolution. Should have called themselves the Humanist party, or the Working Class party, or something that more closely reflects what they represent.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    While true that the word is scary, the title is what they are. It’s just most people will think Democratic (associated with the democrats) Socialists rather than “Democratic Socialists”, all one term, that is not relating them to the major party that is most close but instead describing, “we would like light socialist policies that people vote for still”.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Then they'd just call them socialist anyway, and say that they're afraid to call themselves socialists because they know how bad it is. Reclaiming the word is a more effective strategy.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    This is what happens when people "vote blue no matter who." I can only assume that the people who disagree with this post are those inclined to vote for Democrats like this, regardless.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    This is what happens when people don't vote in primaries, or the primaries have only shitty candidates.

    If those people then didn't vote blue then they'd have elected Republicans that would have voted for this anyway. And worse things.

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