Fine minced words. Maybe Iran isn't winning, that's possible. Now guess who's also not winning while spending billions and billions on "clearing" a strait that before had been open for years without interruptions?

Yep. It's the loser on the golf course. Can't fine mince your sorrow ass out of that.

How much of this was written by Ellison?

Even if true, that's not necessarily a win for the US. This is the type of act that could result in a 9/11 scale terrorist attack. This will have generational effects. Even if Iran unconditionally surrenders, the US has already lost.

No, North Vietnam is not winning

How are amazons data centers in the UAE doing?

Lol

Propaganda is back. I yes Iran is winning they avoided state collapse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDhcD0ncrt4

same feeling

I really hate the premise that this is a "war" when it's actually the continuation of at least a century of imperial aggression against Iran.

edit: Did OP get banned from lemmy.world for this? Typical.

X to doubt, CNN/Brett McGurk.

Like, sure:

Wars are contests of leverage and endurance. And the contest now looks very different from even a few months ago.

But there's no real foundation given for why Iran is more exhausted than America. Yes, more is going through the straight of Hormuz, and Iran's still isn't a global economic power. But, America is mostly out of weapons, and had no public support in the first place.

The language about how Iran "chose" to attack shipping is also pretty gross. It's technically true, but the US chose to start this war, so it's not like it was unexpected, unjustified or arbitrary. There's also a part that's basically "we can do it if we just believe".

This bit is totally right, though:

A better American strategy from the start may have been an economic campaign to support the Iranian people demanding change.

Fine minced words. Maybe Iran isn't winning, that's possible. Now guess who's also not winning while spending billions and billions on "clearing" a strait that before had been open for years without interruptions?

Yep. It's the loser on the golf course. Can't fine mince your sorrow ass out of that.

This is the same Neo-Con rationalization that kept us in Afghanistan for 20 years.

They admit that the was was waged poorly, but somehow staying the course is always the right move.

Even if the US succeeds in collapsing the Revolutionary government, our position isn't necessarily improved. A collapsed Iran could still threaten the straight. And the civil unrest could have consequences more impactful than Syria.

I also want to point out the irony of Iran-hawks who think an Iranian revolution will solve all their problems.

Propaganda is back. I yes Iran is winning they avoided state collapse

This is recycled cope from the cold war.

You cannot overthrow a foreign government by embargoes. It just makes people rally against American oppression.

Sure Jan

The US lost this war, but that doesn't mean Iran won

Inflation is around 80% YoY, the Rial is at historic lows, while the broader economy is expected to contract 6-10% this year. Iran has a path to "winning" long-term by establishing permanent control over the strait, but it's far from a guarantee

The reason the US is guaranteed to lose is because we had nothing to gain to begin with. Vague ideas of security and the removal of non-existent nukes from Iran does not benefit the American people

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I really hate the premise that this is a “war” when it’s actually the continuation of at least a century of imperial aggression against Iran.

Fine minced words. Maybe Iran isn't winning, that's possible. Now guess who's also not winning while spending billions and billions on "clearing" a strait that before had been open for years without interruptions?

Yep. It's the loser on the golf course. Can't fine mince your sorrow ass out of that.

cnn can cope harder

Propaganda is back. I yes Iran is winning they avoided state collapse