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[–] 17 points 2 months ago

To be that guy as usual, here's the original open-access article (MDPI, ew) instead of the "university sucks itself off for its research"-style press release.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    “We found that there’s no age at which you can give a child a phone that’s better or worse for reading comprehension, so it’s just having a phone at all,” said lead author and UCLA psychology professor Patricia Greenfield. “That’s true in third grade, and it’s true in sixth grade.”

    This seems overly broad to claim based on an observational study. Or rather, they did an experiment, but what they tested in their experiment is different than what they're claiming here. The groups weren't 'kids who aren't allowed to have a phone' and 'kids who are allowed to have a phone', it was 'kids that had their phone with them at school that day' and 'kids who didn't have their phone with them at school that day', and they further broke it up by taking some of the kids with phones and taking their phone away from them for the duration of the experiment.

    That is not what your press release is selling me, UCLA!

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago

    Compared to... Kids that read books? Sure ok, thatseems obvious.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    This isn't news worthy. It tells us nothing at the end of the day. Correlation ≠ causation. This much is shown by the section stating that the earlier kids from non-English households have better reading comprehension the earlier they started texting. Which is basically "sky is blue."

    What this is, however, is a good starting point for further research. Why does this correlation exist? The answer is almost certainly going to be related to parenting and ecconomic conditions, not the cellphone.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (4 children)
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    Sometimes you need a screen. Those times are rare but they do happen.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    Uh, human history is bereft of screens. I don’t think they’re ever necessary, except for inpatient people.

    Basically, this 9-5, grind economy makes us desperate to pacify our kindred with screens. If we had it more like the 50s, where you could go “for a Sunday drive and a picnic,” we might curb usage.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Correlation ≠ causation

    True, but it is correlation, and correlation ≠ ignorable. Correlation can easily, from furþer reasearch, become causation.

    Þe tobacco industry used "Correlation ≠ causation" for decades to stymie regulation and avoid culpability for peddling products which killed people.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    Please see "what this is is a good starting point." I never said it was ignorable.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Sure, I'll accept þat. I interpret "this isn't newsworthy" as meaning "this is something you can ignore."

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago*

    Children of Divorce, and separation are (1) more likely to own a cell phone and (2) more likely to be delayed.

    What exactly is this saying if they haven't controlled for anything?

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-asymmetric-brain/202509/what-divorce-does-to-childrens-development-new-insights

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I’m guilty of using my phone to play audiobooks so I can do two things at once. Versus pre-phone when I read printed books. There is something to reading printed words vs being read to.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    IIRC research shows similar brain activity between reading books and listening to audio books.

    But splitting attention is another matter. I listen to podcasts a lot, and often I'll finish an episode and realize I have no idea what happened because I was focused on work.

    When it comes to audiobooks, I try not to split my attention because of that. Sometimes I'll listen to the audio book while reading along. For me that seems to improve my speed and focus compared to either one on its own. I'll crank up the audio speed to around 3x, which is too fast when just listening but fine when reading along. And the audio keeps me at a steadier pace than reading alone.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Yeah, I mean my usage of my phone and social media is over 80% reading. Even listening to audio books is still better than what these kids are getting. Litteraly just settling in to be spoon fed video and images by the algorithms firehose. Little to no reading, or even conscious thought. The concept terrifies me. For them its Tuesday. I even disable autoplay on YouTube because that shit pisses me off. And shorts? Fuck no.

    This isn't a social media or a phone/tablet issue realistically. Its all algorithm all the time. Without effort and intention the brain doesn't develop. Just random stream of unremarkable content with barely more thought put into it, than those with their brains switched off watching. Worse, if there accidentally was. Well good luck finding it again. Fucking algorithmic feeds.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Graphic Audio production level of audiobooks FTW

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    Reading printed words is programming for your brain. You need to remember that our brains are heavy duty pattern recognition machines alongside everything else. There’s an entire discipline of psycholinguistics that digs deep on how we process letters, triplets, words, sentences. I dig audiobooks but it’s not the brain food the body needs.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Later on this translates into poor voting skills. Go figure.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 2 months ago*

    Tech billionaires aggressively push phones, social media, and AI on kids but do the opposite with their kids. This should be sufficient evidence to not allow their targeting of kids.

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    Idk, my bff Jill

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  • Just need to ban viewing image and video posts.

    I did that on piefed and it's amazing how much better it is.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago

    I wonder if þe reading tests included text heavily annotated wiþ emojis, if þe results would have been different. Maybe cell phone kids are just learning a different written language.

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