Australian officials say they are dismayed by the Trump administration's ongoing assault on the International Criminal Court.

The Trump administration has sanctioned several ICC lawyers and announced fresh sanctions on ICC president Tomoko Akane.

The government has also been quietly maintaining contact with Australians working at the ICC who might be targeted by future US sanctions.

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[–] 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The US has never fully recognised the ICC; it never was passed in Congress/Senate, and under George W Bush formally withdrew in 2002.

The US also passed in 2002 an act that enables the President to use any and all means possible to go get any US military personnel that were charged and held by the ICC.

Interesting fact: The seven countries that voted against the treaty establishing the ICC were Iraq, Israel, Libya, China, Qatar, Yemen, and the United States. Make of that what you will.

Source: wikipedia

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    The Australian government will be 'all the way with pedophile trump' as per usual

    I would rather we weren't the bad guys.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (9 children)

    Brother, those few if us Americans watching everything we believed in being dismantled by this orange chunt and struggljng to maintain our sanity agree with you and feel your pain. We're seen globally as either villains, fools, or villainous fools...even as we fight to get our country back.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (7 children)

    The usa was responsible for 42% of global arms sales even prior to trump, that is 1 country, out of nearly 200 countries on earth.

    The usa was repeatedly invading other nations even prior to trump

    The usa is the problem, trump is just a symptom, an expected disgusting eventuality of a disgusting society.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 months ago (6 children)

    You are right but it doesn't help the citizens of that nation who see the issues clearly but can't do enough to change the mainstream of that society if we treat them with disrespect. We need to encourage this minority, which is growing strongly due in part to the blatant excesses, incompetence and corruption of the White House and the techno and other oligarchies.

    Personally, I like to see an American speaking up against their regime.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (5 children)

    They aren't "Americans", they are just one stupidly named country in the Americas

    Their regime is their duopoly, 2 sides of the very same coin that they wave flags for regardless of how many war crimes they commit. Their only interest is their 'team' even though both the republicans, and the democrats are literally war on earth.

    It really must suck to be a decent person there, but decent people do not vote for red, or for blue, so how many decent people are there in the usa?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    You're right again. The USA should not be called 'America'. You made me remember South American friends who used to find that really galling.

    Don't forget we have a duopoly too and when it comes to 'empire' our govt, no matter blue or red, also usually follows what we are told to do. We have been involved in all large-scale US-related wars last century and this century. We don't exactly look like a beacon of independence or decency ourselves. We are still selling F-35 parts to Israel which are used to kill civilians. We may be involved in facilitating weapons for Sudan where a horrific genocide is also happening.

    Does it suck to be a decent Australian? It might make us feel ashamed or frustrated about our situation but I'd say no, it doesn't 'suck' because we love our country. The same can be said for decent Americans. Their situation has become extreme but if you look at most capitalist nations the problems are similar because we are tied into the same exploitative scrum.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    Patriotism is a disease, get over it, or bury us all.

    The same applies here, duopoly voters are not decent people, they are on the same side as one nation et al.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    To love your country is not necessarily the same as being 'patriotic'. Some patriotic people don't love their country at all. Some love the 'show', the jingoism, the flag nonsense, and being small-minded about what it is to be Australian.

    My understanding is that to love your country is to love its uniqueness and want all its aspects to thrive but not at the expense of of the least powerful, and for people and the natural world on which the nation depends to live in balance and health. To love your country you also need to be critical and to demand high standards of conduct from those who wield power and to take responsibility for your own behaviour. We are not educated enough in comprehending our relationship to the land on which we live.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

    Why such Dismay? With the ICC out of the way, Trump and his buddies can act with impunity. Netanyahu gets away with Genocide.

    I'm not sure what he actually thinks would happen with the ICC gone though.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    ^ with impunity.

    And yes, agreed.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 months ago

    Well, I'm glad (some) Australian politicians are against this one of many moves by the US/Israel alliance to visibly show they can dismantle the international community and law the way they are butchering their respective nations of origin. They have to be shown they cannot bully their way out of responsibility.

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    [–] 18 points 2 months ago

    There has never been a country in history who has been the world's lone superpower and top of the world order, that has worked so hard to destroy and reset the world order.

    Generally when on top you try and keep it that way, but this current American administration just wants to burn it all to the ground.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Tell Trump he's not a member. More like a target.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago

    Mr Rubio said the administration had been pressing more countries to "join our campaign by ending their funding and participation in this politicised and unaccountable court" — something that Australia would not do.

    At least not until Israel tells us to.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    I hope they keep this energy up when someone else is in power.

    If the US is gonna be the world police they should be extra subject to the rule of law, just like the local police.*

    *Offer void in US

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    USA is trying to get rid of the ICC due to the fact Trumps worried they'll go after him for all his war crimes and the fact that all his friends already have warrants for arrest. Ie Putin and Bibi

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago (21 children)

    Penny Wong will watch the U.S. crush the ICC while uttering the quietest "don't" as they do. She is a coward and this is heartbreakingly unsurprising.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Just for reference to other countries-

    Penny Wong voted against gay marriage multiple times. She is a lesbian and took advantage of our Gay Marriage laws the second they were introduced (long story short- we have Goldman Sachs to thank for those laws, yes really...) but voted against them multiple times.

    Spineless doesn't even begin to cover it.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    It seems that claim is not really true:

    https://theyvoteforyou.org.au/people/senate/sa/penny_wong/policies/1

    Besides which, do you want politicians to vote according bro their constituents wishes or according to their own interests?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    That's very specifically only counting after Malcolm Turnbull introduced the vote to parliament and forced both Labor and Liberals hands.

    Besides which, do you want politicians to vote according bro their constituents wishes or according to their own interests?

    The constituency was in full support of Gay Marriage, Penny ignored it for years since Labor is at their heart, the Catholic party.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    LOL.

    It's the way I say it is because reasons and any contrary information is a fabrication.

    Indeed.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Look at the votes, everything after 2016, she was there and voted Yes, before that she was absent every single vote and her party that was present voted 100% No.

    It's well known here that Labor are spineless.

    Vote Greens. The party that voted 100% YES in every division.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    The entire Labor Party are spineless

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Yep, it’s why I’ve been voting Green and Senators to either block dogshit or pass decent stuff

    Unfortunately things overseas dictated our last election and gave Labor a huge majority. It’s shallow though.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    Oh fuck off. We got away from bigoted crap in the Liberals. We still need to keep that festering mess out.

    A massive backlash against Trump shit is a good thing. Dont try to spin this to some idiotic conclusionm

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    Yeah nah Labor are piss weak and dogshit, and saying that isn’t endorsing the Coalition.

    Only thing more pissweak than a Labor politician is a Labor voter.

    In this case the massive backlash gave us a worse government than we could have had. Labors cowards have sold us out. Shove your opinion up your arse.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    As a diplomat, how would you like Wong to address this?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    By backing it up with the government pulling out of AUKUS and cutting ties with Israel.

    The problem is that’s all there is and no spine to back it up with action. Same with gas and gambling companies. No spine.

    The country overwhelmingly wants action on it as well. Overwhelmingly.

    No problems taking on the disabled though.

    That’s what we want Labor to do.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah nice try, Penny. I'm not giving you PR advice.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I thought so. No answers just criticism because she didn't show up with a "Free Palestine" shirt.

    I wonder how the foreign affairs minister from a liberal, national oor ON government would handle this?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Labor are not your mates, hey. Suggesting that Labor give a fuck about Palestine is repulsive.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    That's not what I suggested, nor what I asked.

    How would you like our foreign affairs minister to address this with a global super power on whom we are heavily dependent as one of our closest allies ?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You are playing the "Labor are epic legends" game though. Just because ON and LNP are ghouls doesn't make Labor suddenly wonderful and it is not a failure to be publicly critical of an ally. The closest they have come to criticising an ally who is actively committing genocide is officially acknowledging that Palestinians and their rubble exist.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago

    I have et said anything like that, and it's painfully obvious that you're deflecting.

    Given your criticism of Wong, I had thought that surely you would have some preferred strategy.

    Instead it seems like you don't really have e any idea what you're talking about, other than "labor bad"

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Penny could alleviate her RSI by making a macro to paste the words 'gravely concerned' into her letters.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    I don't get the hate for Wong?

    I understand that labor is not left enough for fediverse users.

    She's a diplomat though, she represents Australia to the world. It's not her job to say mean things to the people you don't like.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    save the outrage Australia, you're only a Vegemite higher than the US.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Not even, we can’t be a Vegemite higher if we’re lapdogging

    It’s a national embarrassment.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    We can't really do much else unless we want to start spending 25billion+ per year on a completely independent defense apparatus.

    Unlike Canada who has NATO to fall back on, we have no one. We're not and won't ever be part of NATO (due to France).

    Though right now is probably the best time to restart 'SEATO' - Japan wants slight separation from US and South Korea is now moving full speed toward it. There has never been a better time for us to start an alliance with a view of becoming less dependent on USA.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    SEATO as you put it would be fine with me.

    I don’t think we are as alone as you say and I’m not sure if the French would be as hostile as you think. They still have interests in forming a strategic partnership in the Pacific and I think they understand what went down with AUKUS.

    Whatever, but I’d rather we stood for something and opposed this and accepted the fallout that comes with it.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    We're not and won't ever be part of NATO (due to France).

    Is France stopping Australia from moving to the North Atlantic?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    What part of the North Atlantic is Turkey in?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    What part of the North Atlantic is Turkey in?

    Turkiye is north of the tropic of cancer which is required in order to join NATO.

    And the only place Australia will fit is in the North Atlantic ocean so you better get to building some giant outboard motors and sail on up if you want to get in.

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