A hot potato: As cookies become a less reliable way to track people online, AliExpress may be showing how far companies will go to fill that gap. Researchers found code on the site's homepage that ran silent audio processes in the browser. Tied to Alibaba's security systems, the scripts tap a device's own audio hardware to generate a signal and measure the tiny, device-specific ways it comes back – producing something close to a fingerprint that doesn't need a single cookie to work. It's the kind of tracking a user would likely never notice.

The issue only surfaced after a developer had trouble using multipoint Bluetooth headphones while an AliExpress tab was open: the headphones wouldn't switch properly from the computer to a phone. Once the tab was closed, the problem disappeared.

Digging into the site's code, the developer found it was using the Web Audio API to build audio-processing graphs set to zero volume. The process produced no audible sound, but it still connected to the computer's audio system, keeping the audio path active in the background, which appears to be what interfered with the headphones' ability to switch devices.

This wasn't the kind of audio activity tied to a normal media player. Because the processing graph ran at zero gain and connected directly to the system's audio output, muting the browser tab did nothing to stop it: the browser kept processing the signal even though there was nothing to hear

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[–] 68 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Is that why any tab (on Firefox) with aliexpress opened on it seems to always be showing that little loudspeaker icon at the top? There are a lot of products that have videos showcasing the product so at first I assumed it had something to do with that, but then I noticed it happens on products that only have photos, too.

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  • [–] 147 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    As this is basically a PR campaign for Brave, here's your reminder to stop using that software:

    https://www.spacebar.news/stop-using-brave-browser/

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago

    They've been doing this for a very long time, and I was forced to stop using their website as a result. Nothing new here. If you're on Firefox, you can use an addon called JShelter to alert you when fingerprinting is taking place (and optionally block it).

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    I did some js reverse engineering work on chinese websites few years ago and it's legit industry leading tracking tech. Very few websites in the west are even remotely as sophisticated in that regard.

    Unsurprisingly China has the best tracking ecosystem but it's not for the reasons you might think. It's just so competitive in China that tracking and automation blocking is super important for chinese businesses.

    Have you noticed that there's no such thing like internet archive in China? It's because nobody wants it. It's too dangerous to have recorded history of any sort.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    nobody? you mean, not even the common people? what are the dangers they see?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Business dangers from scraping / automation are basically of two types:

    • archival record for proof mostly for legal prosecution and contract negotiation. There's a lot of really bad shit going on on Chinese web despite the great firewall of China and you can hide it in plain sight if it's ephemeral. So if I sell illegal goods but it's not archived ever no one can really prosecute me. Gray/black markets players in China just rebrand every month and get away with everything.
    • real time data for price/trend competition. Prices and trends move incredibly fast in China, people in the west don't even understand how far ahead chinese e-commerce is, Amazon is like 10 years behind. So all that scraped info is incredibly valuable for chasing capitalism.
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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Will it be possible for you to share your findings?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I don't think we've discovered anything particularly niche that isn't public knowledge today. Since Fable-line of LLMs dropped deobfuscating and reverse engineering web and phone apps is very approachable. Github is full of resources and you can start with something like cloakbrowser

    None of fingerprint tech is illegal in any way so it's a free for all and every browser except Brave (which yeah I know sucks) does basically nothing to fix this.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    Firefox wouldn't let this happen btw. Just use firefox peoples

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    The original report showed this exploit occurred with Firefox too.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Safari is slow to add features, did it work there too?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    Cartoon villains envy their creativity.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago*

    The very few times I had to open AliExpress and give it wide permissions because otherwise it simply refuses to show anything - I always felt dirty afterwards.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It doesn't matter, I've never bought anything there.

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    [–] 16 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    holy fuck i am tired. everytime i read something like this is think "what kind of things do we not know about"

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    [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    Is that on chrome or Firefox? I thought Firefox disabled media by default. Mine always requires a click to allow media.

    Edit: maybe I changed the settings

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    [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    https://www.wired.com/2016/11/block-ultrasonic-signals-didnt-know-tracking/

    This has been a very common technique of tracking for a while. I doubt using a browser tab is even a novel use case.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago