IIRC, that happened a few months ago, not now. A lot of schools are out for the summer already anyway. School staff did a great job of making the feds fuck off.
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Can't help wondering how many stone cold rapists and paedophiles are out there pretending to be ICE and kidnapping people.
Perfect opportunity for them. Even worse are organized hate groups like KKK and friends
A lot more than any republican would every be willing to admit.
Here are some example of different impersonations:
What is most disturbing is that most of those are chaotic, disorganized impersonators who therefore got caught.
There are probably calm, professional-looking adults doing this and flying under the radar.
Exactly. Many criminals who do terrible crimes get caught because they panic and make dumb mistakes in fits of anxiety (criminals are humans, too, and like many humans in very high pressure situations, especially ones where your entire life is at stake if you fuck up, they crack).
But... a calm psycho or someone who really prepared well for it? That is scary as all hell.
Ted Bundy pretended to be a detective to try to lure at least one girl, but thankfully she escaped. How many others weren't that lucky?
We might see a brief resurgence in serial killers if they start to realize this is a valid tactic, and this shit will get ICE agents shot because many people carry guns specifically for over the top scenarios like these.
I sure as hell would start shooting. In Canada, if someone was actually trying to kidnap someone like that and the victim fired back, their shooting would be justified. They would still go to jail for years for illegally carrying a gun but the actual shooting would be justified. There is precedent for this in Canadian law.
I think the serial killers just got smart and took official positions where they can do horrible shit with the government's blessing
I rather suspect ICE agents are also carrying guns for that scenario.
Could pretending to be ICE be a useful guerilla tactic?
In Annecy, Frnace, there's a plaque on one of the elementary schools where Jewish kids were forcibly removed from class by the ss and taken away. Same shit's starting to happen in America now.
Kill the fascists, disrupt their plans. Fuck them.
There's gonna be videos of ice shooting children by the time this is all over
They'll run into a classroom where kids are drawing, and claim they feared for their lives, because the pens could be used to harm them.
Then they'll get 2-6 weeks paid leave, and be promoted when they get back.
Nah, they’ll just get a stacked pension and an early retirement, putting them back into the field is bad optics.
I should buy a gun.
You should train how to use a gun
Absolutely. I've been shooting periodically since I was a teenager but I could use a refresher.
Gold standard:
Be able to draw from concealment and hit a 6” steel circle at 10 yards in under 1.5 seconds. Every time, 10 draws in a row.
Ensure you can perform an elpresidente stage run in 6.5 seconds with all hits in the alpha scoring zone.
You can perform a fast drill in under 7 seconds, 3 times in a row back to back.
Your splits at 7 yards are under 2 tenths.
Your draw, shoot, reload, shoot on a 7 yard 6” steel plate is under 2.5 seconds. 10 times in a row.
Amateurs train until they get it right. Professionals train until they can’t get it wrong.
You always fall in the moment to the level of your training, so absolutely train if you decide to arm yourself. Otherwise you have given someone in power the ability to take lethal force from you and use it against you, or worse, you have misapplied it and harmed someone you did not intend to.
Eyy, they're finally getting it
2 guns. AR-15 and Glock. Primary and sidearm. Or if you have the money, might as well get a Beretta 92FS as a sidearm.
This would make me go nuclear.
Kidnapping our kids?
You want a primal reaction? This will fast track it.
White Americans: Nah, it is only happening to brown kids.
Given the fact that that have been doing this to young, white, blond haired Canadian girls, it is only a matter time before the white kids of liberals and left leaning people get snatched. And probably some from conservatives who still have a microgram of sense and a drop of compassion left.
This is more about racial/ethnic scapegoating (one of the central tenets of fascism) than you'd think.
The ideas here is not that different from Hitler's they just haven't come right out and said it.
That isn't to say white people shouldn't be worried. Fascism is designed to rapidly centralize power by telling the majority they're part of the 'in' crowd while in reality they will also be put through the meat grinder so that in the end it is only the state that survives.
Basically we work our way back to a monarchy and future geberations will have to wait for the next magna carta.
They do want that reaction. They're provoking normal people into violence to allow them to show an emergency and thus bring in the entire army
It's inevitable that it will happen. Whether someone wants it or not is irrelevant. If children are being kidnapped that's an appropriate response.
You stop them. With smoke if necessary.
They're doing that anyway. Might as well make them suffer the violence that they are hoping for.
They don't need to do that, the army is already deployed. They can just make something up like they always do.
it would be good if this was your reactive to anyone getting kidnapped.
I wonder how a person wakes up one day and says to him/herself: i want to kidnap children when i grow up
I think it's more about following your passion and just one day finding yourself behind the steering wheel.
To be fair, i did that, but i was aiming for a witchy mysterious throw-them-in-the-oven sorta way, and dropped that aspiration just about the second i learned the only people who kidnap children nowadays are pedophiles.
It's just not the right cultural moment for reclaiming that.
Please feel free to prove there's a single ice agent that's not a pedophile. Edit: then maybe i can start on my childhood dream of being a terrible witch who throws kids in my oven and/or cauldron.
"The sad truth is that most evil is done by people who never make up their minds to be good or evil." ~ Hannah Arendt
I still don't know what to make of her views on nazis given the fact she had a lifelong romantic relationship with the one who ejected her and other Jews from her university.
Did Heidegger not also possess this "banality of evil"? Or was he somehow an acception?
The romantic choices of many of us between the ages of 18-21 (her age during their actual affair) probably don't bear scrutiny.
An ex who later became a nazi (and then recanted) is probably an excellent example of how quotidian these kinds of evils can be.
She was only human and some of her views are problematic, but I don't think it's a case of contagion.
The romantic choices of many of us between the ages of 18-21 (her age during their actual affair) probably don't bear scrutiny.
I'm not scrutinizing her for any choices between 18 and 21.
This was a lifelong relationship, Hannah herself reached out and continued writing letters in his defense from the 1950s to her death.
An ex who later became a nazi (and then recanted) is probably an excellent example of how quotidian these kinds of evils can be.
Ex? No.
Recanted? They denied he had any nazi sympathy and claimed it was all a mistake
Later, in a 1969 birthday tribute essay “Martin Heidegger at Eighty,” Arendt penned what has generally been taken as an exoneration of Heidegger. In it, she “compared Heidegger to Thales,” writes Gordon, “the ancient philosopher who grew so absorbed in contemplating the heavens that he stumbled into the well at his feet.”
This was the accepted view of Heidegger until 2014 when the black notebooks came out
But major Heidegger scholars have responded in a variety of ways—including resigning a chairship of the Martin Heidegger Society—that suggest the worst. According to Daily Nous, a website about the philosophy profession, when Günter Figal resigned his position in January as chair of the Martin Heidegger Society, he said:
As chairman of a society, which is named after a person, one is in certain way a representative of that person. After reading the Schwarze Hefte [Black Notebooks], especially the antisemitic passages, I do not wish to be such a representative any longer. These statements have not only shocked me, but have turned me around to such an extent that it has become difficult to be a co-representative of this.
Hannah defends him as just so focused on high philosophy he never noticed the antisemitism
Recalls Adam Kirsch in the Times:
The seal was set on his absolution by Hannah Arendt, in a birthday address broadcast on West German radio. Heidegger’s Nazism, she explained, was an “escapade,” a mistake, which happened only because the thinker naïvely “succumbed to the temptation … to ‘intervene’ in the world of human affairs.” The moral to be drawn from the Heidegger case was that “the thinking ‘I’ is entirely different from the self of consciousness,” so that Heidegger’s thought cannot be contaminated by the actions of the mere man.
but I don't think it's a case of contagion.
Modern scholars seem to say otherwise
In a long, carefully documented essay, Wasserstein (who’s now at the University of Chicago), cites Arendt’s scandalous use of quotes from anti-Semitic and Nazi “authorities” on Jews in her Totalitarianism book.
Wasserstein concludes that her use of these sources was “more than a methodological error: it was symptomatic of a perverse world-view contaminated by over-exposure to the discourse of collective contempt and stigmatization that formed the object of her study”—that object being anti-Semitism. In other words, he contends, Arendt internalized the values of the anti-Semitic literature she read in her study of anti-Semitism, at least to a certain extent
https://slate.com/human-interest/2009/10/troubling-new-revelations-about-arendt-and-heidegger.html
And are these your own views too? I thought you said you didn't know what to make of her.
I have to admit I'm not particularly invested in this issue, but I do think it's a gross mischaracterisation to say the letters post relationship somehow constitute an ongoing affair. They quite obviously don't.
Heidegger was an antisemitic Nazi and the black notebooks prove there was a lot more to that than he pretended after he publicly recanted. As far as I'm aware historians have not found any evidence that Arendt was any more aware of the content of the notebooks than anyone else was.
I agree Arendt's work is flawed as I noted above.
When I quoted her, my intention was simply to communicate that specific idea, with which I agree - not to evoke her as if she were some kind of infallible god.
I'm not in favour of abandoning the concepts of ideology and interpellation because Althusser murdered his wife, similarly I'm not going to abandon the concept of the banality of evil because Arendt was deluded about a creepy professor she had an affair with.
And are these your own views too? I thought you said you didn't know what to make of her.
Oh I get that comes across weird, I'm looking all this stuff up as you're challenging me on it and what I'm finding is starting to solidify my views a bit more.
I have to admit I'm not particularly invested in this issue, but I do think it's a gross mischaracterisation to say the letters post relationship somehow constitute an ongoing affair. They quite obviously don't.
That doesn't seem as obvious to the New Yorker
In 1950, seventeen years after they had last communicated, Arendt and Heidegger met again, when she went to Germany to help track down stolen Jewish cultural treasures. At times, she had been publicly critical of Heidegger’s behavior during his rectorship and afterward, but the renewal of their ties banished all her suspicions. “This evening and this morning are the confirmation of an entire life,” she wrote to him after their meeting. For the next two years, their love enjoyed a brief afterlife, as Heidegger wrote poems about her and told her things like “I wish I could run the five-fingered comb through your frizzy hair.”
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/01/12/beware-of-pity-Hannah-Arendt
(The author betrays a very obvious bias about what we're supposed to take away to be fair)
When I quoted her, my intention was simply to communicate that specific idea, with which I agree - not to evoke her as if she were some kind of infallible god.
Yeah I'm with you there.
As far as I'm aware historians have not found any evidence that Arendt was any more aware of the content of the notebooks than anyone else was.
That I'm not sure.
I don't think I really know enough to have a right to that strong a view when the historical record seems to be changing so recently and most of her letters are lost whole she kept all of Heideggers, but what I'm finding is a bit troubling tbh.
For over half a century she was considered the best source of insight into Eichmann and Nazi psychology.
With new knowledge about her conflict of interest and defence of Heidegger I'm left wondering how much of an expert she should be considered.
It seems from the evidence, Heidegger was a willing and complicit Nazi who wrote about genuinely antisemetic views. In that light, Hannah's defence of him is surprising.
I'm unsure of what go make of her psychological evaluation capabilities if she had such a glaring blindspot here.
I'm not in favour of abandoning the concepts of ideology and interpretation because Althusser murdered his wife, similarly I'm not going to abandon the concept of the banality of evil because Arendt was deluded about a creepy professor she had an affair with.
Right, neither am I.
That's why I didn't abandon it and instead said I am unsure what to make of it.
I'm not trying to come to a black or white conclusion, I think this is a complicated subject.
Ah, I think I understand you better now. It's an interesting conversation.
To me, that quote from the New Yorker about combing her hair etc supports my view that this was likely some sort of personal issue involving an idealisation of her ex as a person.
considered the best source of insight into Eichmann and Nazi psychology.
I suppose I've never regarded her in that light.
She's a philosopher: she articulates some key concepts that are valuable, but a) philosophers hypothesizing like that isn't exactly social science and b) I tend to see the Holocaust in the broader historical contexts of genocide and imperialism. Through that lens, Nazi psychology loses its central importance as some sort of unique phenomenon because it isn't really much different from most of the other genocidal regimes that predate it.
This probably sounds like sacrilege in some quarters (Elie Weissel) but to me the usefullness of Arendt lies in what is generalisable, even if that was in itself rooted in material and historical specificity.
ideology and interpretation
Sorry for the typo. I meant interpellation!
You know what can turn a normal parent into a "dOMestIC tERroRIst"?... fucking with their kids
Remember everyone. Due processes is there to determine if the activity is criminal. You are not a criminal until you have been convicted.
Saying anyone does not deserve due process bc they are a criminal is factually wrong
It's getting to that point.
Our only option is going to be killing them.
It's that or be killed.
Imagine a 1st grader in an El Salvadorian prison. Then remember that Trump's staff is full of eugenicists.
then you will be labelled terrorist and your house address will given to a drone by palantir, that will bomb it when you are at home with your entire family.
maga has a right to defend themselves
Is this what "saving the children" look like?
Does anyone have a source for this?
It happened a couple of months ago https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/homeland-security-agents-denied-entry-to-2-lausd-elementary-schools/

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