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[–] 6 points 3 months ago*

No.

[Edit] Actually, I take that back. If all data collection services in the USA can go 5 years without one single data leak, I'll consider it.

Prove yourself worthy.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    This feels less like "protecting children" and more like pedophiles inventing a way to find more children to harm. Parents need to parent. Platforms need to moderate, with sane humans, not AI or stupid age gate laws that anyone under 18 can bypass.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    from henceforth all the children that i may or may not have were born on Janurary 1st 1970

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Weird how the way to protect children involves grabbing everyone’s ID instead of regulating social media.

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    [–] 108 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    My kid was born 1970-01-01 on the same day I was.

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  • [–] 42 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    We share the same birthday but I was born in 1969

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    [–] 29 points 3 months ago*

    Sorry kid, gotta verify your age to use this ti-84

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  • [–] 49 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I wonder if this would be challenged as a 1st amendment issue. For everyone in Illinois, they will be denied government digital resources via compelled speech.

    Of course, I don't expect any sane response to this. If anything, I expect .gov sites to start requiring a selfie with the president to prove your patriotism.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago

    I submitted a photo of pedophile trump to identify myself on instagram a couple of years ago when they forced me to supply a photo or lose my account. They accepted the photo.

    I no longer have an instagram account, I let them keep the photo.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I was born in 1901, January 1st.

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  • [–] 40 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    What scares me is the future of this push.

    In Australia, after their U16 social media ban, 4 in 5 U16's still accessed social media they were banned from.

    When these bills have little impact b/c minors figure out how to get past age gates, there will be pressure for more draconian measures. It isn't like the ppl pushing these will shrug and give up. They will demand more and more erosion of local control. More and more corporate lockdown.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    If a local 'date of birth' field defaults to '18 and up' if unset; the bracket is communicated using an open, standardized format; specification is on a trust-basis, without external verification required; and the field automatically unsets upon turning 18; I might not be that opposed to an implementation like this.

    But without a requirement for legal presence within the state of Illinois, any application developers without it, cannot really be held liable for any infringements on it. Bad actors might also learn which internet users are of which age bracket, and this all might be the beginning of another very slippery slope, where requirements keep building as a result of misuse and/or ineffectiveness.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Yeah, such a standard could be great. But at this point I have no confidence in any governments pushing for that sort of thing. I would be ok with great parental controls. Government controls can fuck off.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago
      Please insert identity verification probe.
    
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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I assume this is so the paedophile president can stalk users by age, cause it definitely does nothing to protect kids

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    [–] 24 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    It is terrible. But there is a ray of good news in there too. Not for IL sadly, but for other states that went on this path,

    The bill picked up language exempting operating systems and developers distributing software under terms that let anyone copy, redistribute, and modify it freely. It also added a clause blocking platforms from locking down modified versions.

    California's AB-1043 had the same gap. Assembly Member Buffy Wicks, the same lawmaker who wrote AB-1043, introduced AB-1856 to fix it. After several rounds of edits, the amended bill redefines "operating system provider" to exclude anyone distributing software under those same open license terms.

    The IL law does not have those carve outs. So ti's way more draconian than the other states listed.

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  • I don't care about this issue because I don't have kids /s

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    One more gate to walk around

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Device makers doesn't sound like operating system to me. Just need to make sure there is a distro that the device comes with which does this. So if you make ToBeReinstalledOS which only comes with an age checkbox and USB media creation tool to the bare minimum compliance required and no network drivers to prevent accidental age verification. Your device is compliant and can be sold in authoritarian countries.

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  • [+] -16 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Good.

    OS level age gating is the best possible solution. It means a parent can simply set an OS level account as a child's and that's it. No IDs, no verification process.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    This is going to be used by everyone from pedophiles to advertising agencies to target children at unimaginable levels. This is legitimately about as big of a mistake as you could possibly make if your intentions were actually to protect children, and the biggest win of all time if you are any form of child predator.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    They can already target children through existing means. This doesn't change anything for bad actors.

    Pedophiles aren't being blocked from finding kids on Roblox because they don't have an OS confirmation that the person checked a box saying they're roughly a child, and legitimate companies can already do this through the numerous existing ways of determining user demographics.

    Targeted advertising is not a problem that is solved by OS level security, it can only be solved through legislation targeting the actual harmful practice. A user spending any amount of time online will always leak enough data to figure out roughly who they are, especially with AI tooling that can do pattern recognition orders of magnitude more effectively than anything that came before.

    OS level account setting is by far the simplest and least intrusive method of having some kind of age verification. Parents setup their kids account then the OS transmits the signal to the server. No IDs, no government involvement, no databases.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Labeling children as children and then boxing them off is making them vastly easier targets. You really think pedophiles aren't still going to be reaching kids on Roblox because of this? You really think this will be an infallible system that 100% determines the person using the device at that time is a child? Predators will find ways around this, the children will be easier targets, and the parents will all be even more carless about their children's online activities because they will think exactly like you.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I don’t believe for a minute that this will be a ‘give us a rough age at setup’ situation. That would be entirely too sane, and place responsibility on the parents to do anything.

    Microsoft is going to want your SSN and full facial scan “to protect the children”.

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    [–] -5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    we sure are getting close to someone's wet dream of having a dystopian hellscape where people don't have control over their computers

    I'm interpreting the opposite. Currently, if I want my kid's user account flagged as belonging to a minor, I don't have that option. If I want my kid's user account treated differently online, I don't have that option. This bill gives me that option, and it gives me the option of turning it off if I feel like it, and it doesn't require me to provide any personal information to achieve that outcome.

    I agree that exceptions should be made for open-source. But overall, this seems way less invasive than EU or UK age verification.

    So, what am I missing? This is the same asshole that wants every round of ammo to have a serial number, so I know better than to expect reasonable and well-thought-out legislation from this administration.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 3 months ago

    I agree that exceptions should be made for open-source.

    The exceptions shouldn't be made for "open source" (which would require a legal definition of that), but for operating systems that aren't preinstalled on devices.

    I haven't read the exact wording of this bill yet, but if it includes all operating systems, then that would seem to prohibit distributing vintage operating systems from before anyone had this idea.

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    [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)