How often do you take him for a walk?

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[+] 72 points 1 year ago (11 children)
  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You lost a kid. That's only 7

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  • [+] 28 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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    I feel like this could be an attention problem. 8 is too many kids not to have serious help keeping a family running.

    Also it sounds a bit like idiocracy if they can’t learn to fucking stay near an adult. Future Darwin Award contestants maybe?

    My son was shy, but he hid from us a couple times. But he was taught from as soon as he could understand that wandering from mom and dad (or uncles or grandparents) was a bad idea. But he’s also an only child and has said some pretty weirdly mature things. He scolds me for putting marker caps in my mouth and makes sure I have all relevant PPE when we’re working in the shop for instance, and he’s been doing it since he was 4-5.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My mom would just walk away as if she didn't even have a kid with her. The panic and fear of losing my mom and having to find her again in a huge ass grocery store is what eventually kept me close from some point on

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Having that many children is child abuse. There’s no way they all get the parental attention they need.

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    Tell us about how it molded your personality

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I'm more curious if they have a leash for the bedroom.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    I got this thing online that has four straps connected together and you put it under your mattress with the ends of the straps sticking out and you can strap someone to the bed. Since you asked.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I also have those, would recommend

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    I remember being on one of those. They were fairly common in the 80s. I also deserved it because I was a little shit that would sprint away at the first opportunity in the grocery store.

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  • [–] 102 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I watched as our little, barely walking toddler walked away from us in a busy department store. I followed behind, hiding behind racks, to see if he would get scared and turn around. Nope. Did not turn once. Just waddled away. I had to race and grab him from behind once he stepped onto the escalator.

    It was then that I really understood the need for those leashes. Had a talk with the wife and we decided against it, but it was close.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago

    I saw a gif around here some time ago. A woman was walking with their kids. When the walked passed a car ready to unpark the kid ducked in front of it. No warning, no logic, just suicide attempt.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    “This leash demeans us both”

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    “Timmy want a cookie? Timmy want a cookie? Good boy!”

    Dammit dad, I’m 5!

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    My parents sucked but I'm grateful they at least didn't leash me like a dog. They degraded me enough already.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Do you remember Harambe?!!! Harambe died for your pride! If that boy was in a leasg he would still be here and the world would be a better place. /s but not really?!

    Seriously now, leashing a kid is not a bad thing. Young kids will run faster than light and human parents can avoid accidents, make sure the kid is is around.and shop without losing their minds. Let's normalize it. If you use a necklace, is that a collar? No. Leave moms alone

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  • [–] 68 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (25 children)

    So many people on this thread are defending leashes, yet they don't exist anywhere but in the US, so...

    I have never ever seen a kid leash in Denmark or any country I have visited, and yet kids here don't run around in stores acting out or disappearing.

    I don't know, they seem dehumanizing and humiliating to me. If other countries can raise kids (incl kids on the spectrum) without them why can't the US?

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    They used to be quite common in the UK back in the 80s. Stops kids running into busy roads, and you can also use it to hold up an unsteady toddler.

    Obviously you don't use them on like eight year olds.

    You don't see them much any more.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I can't ever remember seeing a kid wearing them here in the UK but my grandma once said she used "reins" on my dad and his siblings which would have been from late 1960s to late 1970s.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I’ve seen it once in Denmark actually. But it was a severely mentally challenged kid on a train station where the parents had them in a leash. Looked weird when you’re not used to it, but I guess I can understand that one use case.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    My guess is that the American working system has drained so much from their working population that leashes are required because they have no energy left to pay full attention to their children.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That, and streets are deadly hellscapes over there a lot of the time. Driving laws are barely enforced and infrastructure is almost like it's intended to kill anyone who dares to exist outside a car.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Out of 75 million kids 200 per year are killed by vehicles. This is roughly on par, albeit slightly higher than top EU countries.

    People rightfully look at you like you're stupid when you make these statements that have nothing to do with reality. Get off the internet.


    Child Pedestrian Fatalities per Million Children (under 15)

    Country / Region Est. Fatalities/Year Child Pop. (0–14) Fatalities per Million

    United States ~225 ~61 million ~3.7 United Kingdom ~22 ~11.5 million ~1.9 Canada ~12 ~6 million ~2.0 Australia ~11 ~4.8 million ~2.3 Germany ~20 ~11 million ~1.8 France ~18 ~11 million ~1.6 Japan ~18 ~15 million ~1.2 India ~3,000 (est.) ~360 million ~8.3 Brazil ~450 ~50 million ~9.0 European Union (EU-27) ~140–160 ~72 million ~2.0

    Total EU child population (0–14): ~72 million

    Result: ~2.1 deaths per million children


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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yea, I don't get it. Reading this thread, the people seem insane to me. Yet they are all 100% up arrows.

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  • It's fuckin wild. I used to manage a toys department in an American burger big box store in a small town so I saw some shit. It's either parents with kids on leashes or threatening them or hitting them in the aisle, my fellow Americans often treat their kids like shit, the image of the overindulgent parent isn't really what you see around. Kids get treated like this and grow up to be adults who don't break the cycle.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm not even from US (Asian) and i see them in my country from time to time, especially in mall. Why would you find it dehumanising when it's merely something that tied to each other wrist? It's not even tied to a neck or something, it's just handholding with extra length. It sounds crazy to me that people actually dehumanising it then call it dehumanising.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I am not referring to a string you hold, I am referring to a leash like this:

    I find them dehumanizing and humiliating because they remind me of a dog leash. Look, people parent differently across the world, I remember a British-Indian comedian who was married to a Dane who said that every parenting practice she regarded as healthy and appropriate was basically illegal in Denmark.

    The leash will never not be weird to me, but it is what it is. I don't think everyone who uses a leash is literally going to treat their kid like a dog, I know they probably love and cherish their kids like I cherish mine, but the fact remains that it feels off to me and I'd say most other people from my neck of the woods.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'm 53 and have seen them used on different continents. My mom used one on me in Europe when we visited when I was two years old. You are completely wrong on all fronts with your comment. Have a good day.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Your American mum bringing a leash over and using it on you somewhere in Europe 51 years ago hardly makes me wrong on all fronts.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Funny you would assume I'm American. You are still wrong on all fronts.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Lemmy, like reddit, skews American and you're referring to Europe as well, Europe, which tells me you're not European. You're welcome to correct me, of course.

    Even if you've seen leashes on all continents, they're definitely super rare and not common now. If you decide to be informative instead of assertive you are welcome to educate me on your experiences and expand on which fronts exactly I am wrong and why.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They weren't uncommon in the US in the '90s, they fell out of favor soon after. Even back then they weren't popular.

    In the '80s and earlier, corporal punishment was regular and expected. There was a push in the '90s to stop the corporal punishment. A lot of parents stopped handing out corporal punishment but failed to replace it with any form of discipline. It was not an uncommon to see kids tearing things off shelves yelling at and smacking their parents while their parents were going "now Jimmy, We don't do that" shrinking at parents walking by saying their kids, what are you going to do?;The little backpacks with the leashes were a symptom of failed parenting. If you grew up in this time in a very conservative area you might not have experienced this yourself, as giving timeouts, redirecting, and not beating your kids as a relatively progressive ideal and when it started it was actively disparaged by conservatives.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    In the '80s and earlier, corporal punishment was regular and expected. There was a push in the '90s to stop the corporal punishment.

    Corporeal punishment was outlawed in Denmark by 1997, but was definitely frowned upon much earlier than that. My grandparent's generation - born in the 1920s and 1930s - was likely the last generation where it was commonly used.

    I mean, our kids can be little brats as well - and our kids are also prone to run off and do dumb stuff, but apparently we handle it differently. And I am fairly certain that my initial reaction - that it's dehumanizing and humiliating - is how it comes off to almost all Nordic parents.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No, I'm explaining the timing. We went from it being acceptable to not doing it in a very short period of time. Delicious came out because parents couldn't work out any way to control their kids but a physical means.

    I'm well aware that Nordic countries treat their kids with a lot more dignity and freedom than the rest of the world, some might even say to their own detriment.

    One of my co-workers expatriated to Sweden for a few years. There were tweens just hopping on the bus and going to the museum miles away. But I get the feeling that one could trust the average Swede would prevent harm to a child from a pedophile.

    Leashes in the US were a symptom of a brisk change in society with relatively little information on how to perform it. They definitely existed.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    One of my co-workers expatriated to Sweden for a few years. There were tweens just hopping on the bus and going to the museum miles away. But I get the feeling that one could trust the average Swede would prevent harm to a child from a pedophile.

    In contrast to what many people think, Nordic people are fairly strict with what kids are allowed to do when they are small. We spend a lot of time and effort to ensure that kids are well behaved and can be trusted and don't act out when they are small, and then, gradually, they are allowed more freedom as they grow older. By the time they're young teenagers we generally feel like they've demonstrated that they can be trusted and they are often allowed to bike or take the bus around town and live with a lot more freedom.

    Maybe you're thinking "Duh, that's how everyone does it!", but the reason I mention it is that I've experienced that many cultures do it differenty; when the kids are young they are allowed a lot of freedom and very little responsibility, then as they grow older their parents will restrict them more and more. It's pretty much the opposite of the Nordic approach.

    We're veering off course (or I am, at least), but I find the differences in parenting across cultures very fascinating.

    One commenter said that the leashes are for safe toddler independence, not control, and I guess I can see that. It makes sense, even if it would be cultural taboo in my part of the world.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There are kids with behavioural issues or kids on the spectrum, it doesn’t mean they or the parents are bad people. I never agreed with the kid leash and still don’t use it but after 3 years with an autistic toddler, I don’t blame anyone for using them. Would you rather that child be running lose or running circles around you? Don’t criticize people’s parenting, especially if you don’t know their situation or have never raised a special needs child.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    It gave us a little peace of mind when our autistic child was a toddler. He had just started eloping and he was very fast and very sneaky. Holding his hand wasn't always feasible and we wanted to encourage some freedom and independence so a backpack with a tether was a good option, especially in crowded areas. He was free to explore something if it interested him but the gentle tug gave him enough physical feedback to understand that he needed to stay close to us. Now that he's older we can just verbally remind him to stay close if he starts wandering off.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    This leash demeans us both

    This leash demeans us both

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    ITT: people who doesn't have kids, doesn't interact with kids, or doesn't have to raise a particularly difficult kids, talks about raising kids.

    OOP sounds like an insufferable person tbh.

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  • We tried that with my son. Nothing worked. We could zip tie the closures and he would be out of it in minutes. He was a runner from age three to around seven years old. The school was happy when he wanted boot and we bought him some woody boots. He couldn't run as fast. OP there is a POS. He hasn't lived it and lacks the empathy to understand.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    People are alluding to it, but not attributing the blame correctly: the "need" to leash kids is yet another negative consequence of car-dependent urban design.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    The fuck are you on about? Have you never had a kid disappear on you in a mall? There's no cars there

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Multiple people in the thread are talking about using them because of worries about a kid running out into traffic.

    Quit pretending that a statement has to apply 100% of the time in every possible circumstance in order to be generally true.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Are chained kids particularly difficult to raise, more so than before (and than kids in any other culture besides the one that puts leashes on their kids...)? Were people doing this 100 years ago in America, for instance? Or is it yet another example of social decay, that parents can't even discipline/raise their kids well enough to allow them outside without leashes?

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  • [+] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • So, in the West (again, I doubt we're talking about 100 years ago in India), people were socialized like that until recently? They weren't going to parks and markets? Mmm. That's possible, I guess? I somehow doubt that to be true, but I'll take your word for it because I'm too lazy to do otherwise. 😅

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What an ignorant comment. There's evidence to suggest walking attachment devices for young children were used way back in the 17th century. It's possible that similar things were used earlier than that too. An early version of the modern one we are all familiar with now, started selling in the 1920s. Incidentally, use of it skyrocketed as more and more cars, faster cars and busier roads spread across the modern world.

    And another thing, use of these leashes is common for parents of kids with disabilities. I have to use one with my son because his learning difficulties mean that he doesn't understand danger and if he gets frightened/overwhelmed he will often run away in a panic.

    I don't like using it but I would rather have my disabled son safe and alive than not use it, and judgemental attitudes like this are the reason that I have to put up with unsolicited, nasty comments when I take him out in public; when I'm already dealing with the stress of keeping a child with extra supervisory needs safe and well.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    My autistic son would happily play in the park. Just once every few months he would decide that “now is the time to run” and just take off as fast as he could in a straight line. How would that play out in a busy street.

    People can’t imagine that: so much of the time things are calm, straightforward to handle, but if EVER you let your guard down for a second at the wrong time, you’ll end up on the news as a “tragic story of grieving negligent parent.”

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  • As you said, he's disabled. I have a trisomic uncle and I would've understood if he was put on a leash (he wasn't, he just listened to my grandpa, but not everyone has it so easy). I don't understand the need for it in other cases. I mean, two of my friends' kids are runners and all we do is just run with them and grab them when the time is done, they/we have never had any need for a leash. I'm sorry if people have harassed you about it though, I certainly wouldn't. I just voice my questions and opinions in voluntarily attended online spaces.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Or is it yet another example of social decay, that parents can’t even discipline/raise their kids well enough to allow them outside without leashes?

    From what I've heard, the expectations of behavior for children in public spaces has gotten a lot more strict. People generally have very little patience for your kid's antics. Also fewer mothers are dedicated homemakers, and when time and energy are tight, a leash might be a good bandaid.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Kids are incapable of resisting their urge to do something to a certain degree at certain ages. Like suddenly running onto the street for example. Some kids just do this, and then your only option to keep them safe is a leash.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago*

    Just spitballing here, but I kinda wonder if modern tech isn't worsening children's impulse control. Having constant instant gratification surely has some negative effects on it.

    Anecdotal evidence here, but my friends who are parents cut way back on how much tech time their kids got, and they said there was a huge improvement in their general behaviour.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I literally have never seen a kid on a leash IRL (I'm not American) nor heard anyone say "goddamn this kid is so hard to raise, lemme put him on a leash". Never seen a pic of my gramps on a leash, or a history book showing leashed kids. Through millennia kids have been properly raised without leashes. So, I ask again, is this not just another example of how incompetent people have gotten at being people in some areas of the world?

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    [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    See, that's actually her husband, and they're into a consentual public humiliation + abdl kink. He came so hard when they got home. Mommy is such a good mistress.

    (I have been lead around on a leash before myself, and I'll do it again, though for different reasons~)

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Some of you are so desperately alone and this post shows why.

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