cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/68868025

Since quite a few years back, it's been quite commonplace in fantasy anime and manga to represent casting magic as some kinds of 2D circles or geometric figures with patterns, possibly multiple ones, as in the image on the right (Frieren). I see this idea used in almost all – if not all – anime and manga now.

It hasn't always been that way though. Older anime and manga used other and different kinds of representations, say from blinking stars (image on the left, Majokko Megu-chan) to smoke, or even just sound effects.

I'm just curious: does anyone have any info or links to share about how this "2D representation" came about and why it's become so popular? Cheers!

Majokko Megu-chan and Frieren casting spells

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[–] 8 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I think it ultimately comes from the magic circle, which is a pretty ancient idea. I know Fairy Tale is pretty notable for this, but I don’t think it’s the first anime to do it

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

    Fate did first I just don't remember if is in the Stay Night or the Zero. Toaru Majutsu no Index has some too.

    Fairy Tale was annoying because if I recall correctly is an anime thing, the manga doesn't have this shit.

    If is not one those is some 90s anime that I can't remember.

    Edit: I completely forgot that the first full metal anime is from 2003, is probably the one that made it popular.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    The manga has a few magic circles, but its for very specific types of magic only, and honestly after the first time someone casts that magic they tend to drop a lot of the flair around the spell, including needing things like a magic circle to cast it.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    I can't remember. I'm genuinely very happy that Fairy Tale is just a blur in my mind, if I start to remember things I'll get angry at it again.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 3 months ago

    Thank you all for these! Interesting that the anime used this graphic device but the manga didn't. It fits with what some are saying, that this device became popular thanks to computer graphics.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I feel it's mostly MMOs causing this new conception

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    My take is that it just made distinctive sense to show that magic was being cast as opposed to spiritual manipulation that was on the rise of superpowers.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Cardcaptor Sakura and Mahojin Guruguru are, off the top of my head, both older examples that still used 2D magic circles.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    It's just the ideas of magic circle, it's actually very old and i am quite happy they use it, people just using magic wihout always felt lame to me tbh

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    [–] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    TVTropes doesn't have anything listed as the origin, but it has a ton of examples if you want to go back in some of the media and see how far it goes back.

    The reasoning they give to its popularity is that floating text is easy to animate, can be very flashy for little effort, and can be used as a plot device, with either characters needing time to draw runes, or people refining/debugging their spells, and having something observable to show off the magic power level or the effective range of spells. Basically, it's a really cool, easy, and cheap way to make magic look badass.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Not directly related to anime but to representations of magic in general, but this reminds me of the speed up spell "haste" in Final Fantasy II (PSP) and Final Fantasy X. In FFII, iirc no glyph appears, and the character gets so fast that in the initial peak, he/she runs off to one side of the screen and come back at the other. In X, a glyph appears, but it is a spherical clockwork-like glyph instead.

    In a more recent work, now back at anime, magic used by humans in Dragon Raja has audio and visual representations, the voice of the caster distorting, a mist coming out of the caster's moth iirc, and both this mist and the eyes of the caster glowing.

    Dragon Raja, apparently making 2D animation in a 3D software, probably is what allows this non-glyph type of representation. By extension, FFX using a 3D engine probably is what allows and even facilitates this type of 3D glyph instead. And FFII, though 2D, is from before the glyph trend, thus preserving the old style.

    And this makes me think, maybe the 2D glyphs are used in manga as a way to make easier to represent magic in a purely 2D and static medium, and this ends up causing a habit which evolves to a culture over time.

    Curious Archive has a recent video on representation of magic btw, though iirc it's a Nebula exclusive. =/

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

    EDIT: It was in a lot of Final Fantasy Games, too

    I wonder if it became popular around the time of Full Metal Alchemist.

    Manga Authors have been taking more inspirations from western myth and folklore than they did 40 years ago, particularly the Alchemists who were fond of sophisticated patterns and diagrams, as well as celtic runes and even some Chinese sorcerors.

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    Oh gods no, this shit goes back at least into the late 80s early 90s. Ah! My Goddess does it, Slayers does it, Silent Möbius does it too. At the time these effects would be used more for their historic value rather than cheap animation, but they’re the tiny stones at the start of the landslide.

    @enkrod@feddit.org

    These are good examples

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I know Cardcaptor Sakura was doing it long before FMA was, but I doubt they were the "first" either.

    particularly the Alchemists who were fond of sophisticated patterns and diagrams, as well as celtic runes and even some Chinese sorcerors.

    I'm sure that's a huge part of it.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    Less about fondness, more about keeping secrets secret. If the entire planet is trying to synthesize immortality, wouldn't you want to keep the secret to yourself and peers? Espionage and theft will always exist. But cryptography deters adversaries from learning your notes as quickly. Alchemists used sophisticated means to keep secrets secret.

    Magic formulae is no different.
    If everyone can cast «gun,» everyone will cast «gun» e-vry-time.
    Now «fold» my laundry pretties.
    @FiniteBanjo@feddit.online

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Didnt this come from Final Fantasy graphics?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    For me I think of wheel of time. manipulating the pattern and such.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    As someone's already said, the concept of magical circles/diagrams goes way, way back. But the earliest example I can think of in anime is The Slayers (the first season, which would have aired in the mid-1990s). The interesting bit there is that only a few spells (I think Burst Rondo was one) create patterns there, and when they do show up, they're on the ground, not in front of the caster.

    The earliest example I can think of of a magic circle in a JRPG is in the SNES version of Chrono Trigger, where one appears—on the ground again—in a scene where one character is attempting to summon the Big Bad. It's part of the background graphic. Putting something like that in the combat system would have been taxing for the consoles of the era, so if there are any older examples, they're probably also handled as background graphics.

    (This is possibly the geekiest post I've made in, um, at least a week?)

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 months ago

    Thank you for the "references"! I don't think I even saw those.

    Indeed the idea is old, and inherent in most early cultures in relation to drawing and writing, which were seen as "magical". And this is reflected more generally in anime, for example in the very common theme of "getting increased powers upon receiving a name".

    What I was wondering was why the sudden increase, because today it seems that all fantasy anime use this device. I had not thought about the computer-graphics factor, and that makes a lot of sense!

    Great geeky post 🚀

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