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One reason why you need to use a proper privacy respecting E2EE messaging e.g. Signal.
Bonus points for one that does not even have your personal information e.g. Session.
+1 for session
also matrix....
Wasn't session closing down?
Add Delta Chat, Briar and Cwtch to that list!
Briar is in a whole different league, definitely one to use, but at that point may as well add Meshtastic stuff to the list.
SimpleX best so far. Decentralized but not federated, anonymous and with multi-hops
Session is unfortunately not really an improvement. Signal have started work on options which won't need a number to register, I'd rather wait for that
Jamil has entered the chat. P2P with E2EE, so you only ever need some internet connection to stay in touch, no servers to be taken down.
The only problem is that it'll eat your phone's battery like chrome eats RAM
Ah yes noted - if one wants to discuss schooting schoolchildren, they should do it on Signal. /s
Private message - it isn't private if it can get flagged 😅 .... and seriously, think about everything you have ever said or written, imagine someone taking one of those private sentences out of context... To even think that was a real threat you had to act upon says tons about the country and system, the work- and school environment. Just sad really😢
Oh, I don’t have to imagine it. I once got suspended for two weeks after telling my bullies to “drop dead.” Apparently that’s a “threat.” The context of the phrase never came into play, no investigation into why I’d feel compelled to say something like that, because fuck the victims of bullying, right?
The system has been pouncing on people for snippets of out-of-context phrases for decades. Unfortunately, they rarely catch the people who actually act out their violence.
oh but I thought you had nothing to hide Sharon?
I thought you didn't care about using private messaging?
I thought you said to me that Signal is used only for creeps and drug dealers that need to hide from the police?
Well, thank god you're not one of those, I guess...good for you Sharon
Where does it say her name is Sharon? Why do you think she cares about private messaging?
Hes talking about his fictional or fictionalized coworker "sharon", who presumably believes privacy is for criminals
Exactly my point
The entire thing is incredibly sexist.
I can't stand the whole Karen thing and would agree with you on the sexism there. But in this case, the article uses "her" and so in the fun little pretend story, using a feminine name makes sense. The same as if the teacher were male you could say, "I thought you had nothing to hide Dave"
Yea okay buddy thank god you're offended at my alleged sexism, you just saved half of the world's population of abused women by being so offended
What I don't get is how simply closing the laptop deletes anything.
On every laptop and every OS I used closing the lid just makes it go to sleep and everything is the same when you open it back up again. Never was anything deleted.
If somebody know a scenario where stuff would be deleted, please explain so that I can avoid it.
You can set the lid-close trigger to do nothing, suspend, hibernate, or shut down. I'm assuming it was an unsaved document and the lid was set to shutdown on close.
When my PC suspends it unmounts the sd card, which can cause data loss if I am working on something that is not saved to the internal SSD.
ok... in my experience when shutting down windows it asks to save files and blocks the shutdown until then. Same for kde linux. No idea what mac does.
you have to go out of your way to disable autosaving drafts these days
The real question is who has an unsaved lesson plan open on their laptop. Just fuckin' improv style teaching method.
I wanna know what monster sets the lid close action to shut down.
Like yeah it should be an option. But nobody should ever pick that option. And anyone who does should be shunned and socially isolated.
she sent a private Snapchat message referencing shooting the child or the school
Yeah talking about committing a school shooting is going to get you flagged.
I don't think the government should be reading private messages
exactly. someone letting off steam to family or friends is as old as time. heck. bar conversation even.
I don't think teachers should joke about shooting a student...
Such behavior leads me to believe that this individual has a strong tendency to act on their emotions which is a very bad trait for someone working with children. If nothing else it shows that they have poor judgememt.
True but in this case the automated system got it right
Did they? Was this a genuine threat to student safety?
And even if they did get it right, how much privacy is worth giving up? How much would you like your speech chilled?
If a student teacher sent something like that to me I would almost certainly turn them for the safety of all involved. "Jokes" about violence is often times a sign of poor mental health.
Just to be clear I don't support mass surveillance. However, I also can't condone violence or threats of violence especially against children.
"should I shoot him?" is not a threat.
Also, who made you the judge jury and executioner of Snapchat messages that get you fired from your job?
That's the AI's job and I don't want to see you stealing jobs from hard working AIs.
While I don't support mass surveillance, this seems to be a case where it was in the right
While I don't support mass surveillance I do think it is entirely inappropriate to "joke" about shooting someone.
A student had walked up to her laptop and deleted her lesson plan mid-class. frustrated, she typed something like "should I shoot him" with a gun emoji.
Yeah not getting any sympathy from me on that one...
It was a private message. You've never engaged in hyperbole with your friends?
About shooting children? No. Absolutely not.

Somebody report Bill Watterson for threatening children.
Seriously, I've never met an involved parent (or any other child caretaker) who didn't admit to moments of hyperbole like this, even if only internally. You're just being a judgemental prick.
ugh. I have met people like this before. I mentioned once to someone. You know when you are so angry you could literally kill em. They responded no never. no one should. Im like. Im talking for a brief second you are seeing red. still they deny. I just dropped it but like would not trust anything coming from that person to be truth.
That's not a threat, it's a public comic. I'm not judging anyone, but you have to look at it from the POV of law enforcement. If they saw a comment like this and did nothing, and something actually happened, they'd be absolutely crucified for "ignoring red flags".
I think the thing here is why are they being contacted about a private message. If anything only those party to it should possibly report it. It stands as it does as a cautionary tale about using any service like this because private conversations should not be looked at in a public announcement kind of way.
I think the thing here is why are they being contacted about a private message
Because WhatsApp scans messages for when "imminent harm exists".
If anything only those party to it should possibly report it
That's not how Snapchat works.
It stands as it does as a cautionary tale about using any service like this
Absolutely.
because private conversations should not be looked at in a public announcement kind of way
It wasn't a "public announcement", it was forwarded to law enforcement.
Did we just move the goalposts from 'nobody can make jokes like this' to 'police have to investigate since they got a report'?
We didn't move anything, the statement I made was that they get no sympathy from me.
The implication there of course being that she's in the wrong, hence why she doesn't deserve any sympathy for having her life destroyed over a dark joke.
The implication there of course being that she’s in the wrong
Because she is.
having her life destroyed over a dark joke
Volpe was arrested for disorderly conduct, held overnight at Tazewell County Jail, and released on $0 bond under Illinois’s SAFE-T Act. No formal court charges were filed. Her student-teaching placement was terminated.
That's a long long way from "having her life destroyed".
So we're back to 'nobody can make jokes like this'.
That's a long long way from "having her life destroyed".
She's lost her job, and will never be able to get back into teaching. The publicity will probably make it difficult for her to get any sort of good position in future. Most people would certainly feel that way.
So we’re back to ’nobody can make jokes like this’.
Repeating the same nonsense over and over doesn't make it any more true.
She’s lost her job
As she should.
and will never be able to get back into teaching
That's up to schools to decide. If they decide they don't want someone on their staff that thinks it's okay to joke about murdering children, that's their prerogative. No one is doing that to her, she did that to herself.
You've said that she's in the wrong. How does that not translate to 'nobody can make jokes like this', would you kindly like to explain?
It shouldn't be controversial that adults shouldn't make jokes about murdering children, I don't understand why this needs to be explained.
Okay now I get it, at first I thought you were being serious but then I realized you were joking with the law enforcement getting crucified comment. You'd have to be literally brain dead to think something that stupid.
Can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but he isn't. Joking, that is.
You dont know any teachers do you?
Of course I do.
Not the people that taught you, i mean friends as an adult.
Does any adult really not know any teachers?
Apparently not you, cause i guarantee that every teacher with experience has had at least one student that turned their humor dark.
No, as I said previously, I know lots of teachers. I have one in my immediate family. You can keep insisting for some weird reason that I don't, but it's not a good look, because you don't know anything about me.

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