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Zelenskyy on Iranian threats: They've already attacked Ukraine (www.pravda.com.ua)
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[–] 15 points 3 months ago (28 children)

With the same logic if anything ukrainian go to the US or israel army, ukraine attacks iran.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago* (17 children)

    Yeah Zelenskyy needs to shut the fuck up with this Iran situation. He is digging his own grave with it. By his logic the entire world would be at war with each other. Just focus on your war at home buddy, its not over yet.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (16 children)

    Yeah Zelenskyy needs to shut the fuck up with this Iran situation. He is digging his own grave with it. By his logic the entire world would be at war with each other. Just focus on your war at home buddy, its not over yet.

    His claim is not wrong, if you support an evil government you are evil yourself

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Ukraine supports Israel, which is far worse than Iran. So?

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    At most Ukraine has provided interceptor drones and warm words. But Ukraine is in no way in lock-step with Israel. By far below how tight Iran and Russia are.

    Also, Iran is no slouch when it comes to executing its own people. While it may not have reached the level of what Israel is doing to the Palestinians, Iran has executed close to tens of thousands for opposing the Iranian government.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    At most Ukraine has provided interceptor drones and warm words. But Ukraine is in no way in lock-step with Israel. By far below how tight Iran and Russia are.

    that's a pretty fucking piss poor turboshitlib rationalization of support for genocide. not to mention, the KIIS did a survey that found almost 70% of Ukrainians sympathize more with Israel than with Palestinians. only 1% of respondents sympathized more with Palestinians. the entire nation is in lockstep with Israel, more so than even the United States.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Ukraine doesn't support the genocide, they've repeatedly voted against Israel in the UN when it comes to the treatment of Palestinians. Ukraine and Israel actually have a strenuous relationship, both because Ukraine's voting habits in the UN and because Israel has always refused to support Ukraine outright in the hope they wouldn't piss off the Russians. You'd know that if you had done even one searchengine search.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    I'm not sure Israel is worse than Iran. Iran is awful nationally to their people while Israel is awful internationally. I'd say the magnitude of their awfulness is similar, which is why the world would be far better off without either of them.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Iran has committed zero (terms and conditions apply) genocides, while Israel has committed one (terms and conditions apply) genocide. That almost automatically makes Israel worse.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    How? Ukraine is supplying intercepter drones and training, not attack drones. And Iran has been supplying Shaheds to Russia sinsce 2022 and now they want to cry that Ukraine hit an iranian ship making an arms resupply run?

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    How?

    Ask zelenskyy, he has pointed out that iran and north korna have already attacked ukraine by supplying russia with weapons, military technology and troops.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

    For starters, North Korea literally sent troops to fight the Ukrainian army, so you got no leg to stand on there. And as I said, Iran has supplied Shaheds since 2022. If your country still supplies the very drones that Russia uses to pepper Ukrainian cities with, you are directly responsible for the death of Ukrainian civilians.

    As I also said, Ukraine doesn't provide attack drones to the US, they are intercepter drones, designed to destroy attack drones. Ukraine also only started to supply them recently.

    Ukraine doesn't provide offensive capabilities to the US and they are certainly not committing troops to engage Iran on behalf of the US.

    There simply is no comparison between what Iran has been doing to Ukraine and what Ukraine is doing to Iran.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago*

    Enabling someone to defend themselves as they ruthlessly attack someone else is no different to bombing them yourself.

    It’s the same logic that applies to Israel and the iron dome. By giving them the means to defend themselves they are free to enact their genocide without repercussion.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Ukraine is supplying intercepter drones and training, not attack drones.

    Yeah, so it's fine if America gives Israel Iron Dome missiles right?

    Hint: The answer is "no it's not."

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Those are two very different scales. And the problem is not that the US is giving Israel the means to defend itself, the issue is that the US also enables Israel to commit its crimes all the time.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago*

    Those are two sides of the same coin. The US enables Israel to commit its crimes all the time partly by protecting it from retaliation it'd normally face due to those crimes. Helping a serial killer defend himself while he's serial killing still makes one party to serial killing. Also the scale is different, but the act is the same.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    How about when defensive systems allows a state to withstand retaliatory strikes to their own offensive operations? How does this differenciate any of the parties mentioned? So yes the issue is that the US is giving (defensive) weapons that enable Israel to attack without substantial reprocussions.

    Hell we even fund their socialized healthcare while we pay out the fucking nose

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    • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    WW3 is here

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    Has been since at least the Straight of Hormuz first closed and then Trump threatened to glass Iran, might even could point to the annexation(?) of Venezuela as the beginning. the past few months has mostly been getting pieces into place and grifting the system for all its worth.

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    • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    This is the exact same argument that Russia does to claim that NATO is attacking them.

    Logically, it's either true for both Putin's and Zelenskyy's claims or false for both.

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