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Two men behind ‘senseless’ felling of Sycamore Gap tree jailed for more than four years (www.theguardian.com)
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[–] 76 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Cool, now do the same for Water Company executives that shit all over our nature as well.

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    • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Was there a statement from either of them on why? I know why is really the hardest answer to get from someone but did they just hate the tree. Did their sisters turn down a marriage proposal from them at that site?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    One claimed he was so drunk he doesn't remember loading up his range rover, driving to the parking spot then carrying the equipment to the tree, cutting it down with precision not expected of someone blind drunk, carried all the kit back to the car, drive home then had a moment of clarity.

    The other one said he's such a weak idiot that the other one led him astray

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    You should look up some of the messages the court case revealed. It sums up how nasty, spiteful, and truly hateful these two men are.

    They took active joy in making people miserable. They knew targeting a loved cultural landmark would make people angry and miserable, so that's what they did.

    Their motivation was purely to hurt.

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    • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Very, very, very harsh. Too harsh.

    Would love to see just a single one of the besuited cunts who are polluting our rivers and air get this kind of treatment by their mates in the courts. Never gonna happen tho - this has been a rich man's world for centuries.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    i disagree with this being too harsh, but do agree with the second point about wishing to see this type of punishment extended to the industrial villains, who will never see it, deserving this type of punishment.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That's fair. I understand the frustration and anger at these two and what they did - it was senseless and I was definitely a bit heartbroken to read about the felling at first - but four years is so long and they're going to come out worse for it, in my opinion.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    From what I understand, they really fucked around the court and lied about it which is why the sentence is harsh. If they had just admitted it, they probably would have got a suspended sentence.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (4 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    "this kind of treatment" meaning harsh sentences. Fining a company means very little 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My point was that individuals have been responsible for a lot worse, but never held accountable. It didn't have to be rivers and fish. I could have linked to the endless other articles referring to the destruction of something. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cmjj5gl6m0po

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    • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    a 150 year sentence for killing a 150 year old tree would be nice

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    • [+] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)
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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Cool yeah, let's have short sentences for destroying cultural landmarks. I'm sure that'll be fine.

    We both know that these men will, unfortunately, be out far sooner than 4 years time.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    They shouldn't be inside at all. We don't have the prison space to spend on things like this. It should be dealt with in the community.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I.e. translating to no real punishment. For permanently destroying a historically significant site, then constantly lying in court.

    I'm sure there would be zero repercussions from that.

    Jesus Christ, I am immensely thankful you aren't a judge or legislator.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    We already jail more than France, Germany, Austria, Spain, Italy, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland. We're about 40% more than the nearest one of those which is France. Several of them we're 2-3x more per capita.

    We put too many people in prison. We're not on American levels, but it's still too many.

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    • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    corpos rape the planet: giggling sunflower

    two dudes kill a tree: angry sunflower

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    You obviously don't. You were advocating for practically zero punishment for it, and find incessant lying in court to be completely fine too.

    I'm immensely glad you're not involved in the justice system or legislation. What a fucking disaster that would be. A criminal free-for-all.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    They will not actually spend 4 years in prison, and I imagine you know that. They'll be let out early, like most prisoners, unless they cause serious trouble in prison.

    And destroying a national landmark, then obstructing the course of justice, and being in contempt of court. That more than justifies it.

    Maybe all of that is fine to you, but it is not the kind of behaviour that should be encouraged.

    Maybe you're just far from the area, and have an attitude of "who the fuck cares mate, it's just a tree innit!", and don't care about the obstruction or contempt of court part.

    Maybe you think it's just something those stupid working class northerners care about, or maybe that doesn't enter into your head at all, I don't know.

    Would you feel the same if someone intentionally blew up Stonehenge out of pure malice? Big Ben? The Eiffel tower? The Colosseum? Parthenon? Any other national landmark that a great deal of people care about?

    Behaviour like this cannot be given a "you're a bad boy, a very bad boy indeed. £250 fine and 20 hours of community service"-style punishment.

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