Tankies keep posting "NATO-backed Zionists" on the comm. It's completely delusional because China, Russia, India, etc. all support Zionism as well. I was banned for pointing this out. I knew I was going against tankie narratives so I'm not surprised. It's still pretty pathetic. Tankies literally value their alt-empire over actual meaningful anti-zionism.

FWIW I'm not especially anti-tankie either. I consider them the same as libs. People who are def better than fash but not necessarily allies.

Edit: While I'm complaining... It's worth pointing out that the palestine comm at lemmy.ml is basically spam. There's people distracting with their NATO/Russia politricks. There's people reposting slop from X. I mean what is this post? I'm ok with fundraising if it's actually overt but this is absurd. I should have switched to dbzer0 long ago.

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[–] 10 points 3 months ago (11 children)

I'm always kinda torn when someone on .ml pulls that kind of excessive cherry picking. It's absolutely bullshit, and it meets the casual definition of power tripping via artificially and arbitrarily curating an echo chamber, with bans being a symptom of that rather than their own separate piece of trippin

So, yeah, PTB.

But, I think anyone going there for much of anything should know at this point that it's inevitable. Any mention of politics that don't support the echo are going to eventually get banned, be it temporary or permanent. Going to a community that's based around a particularly hot button subject/location and not toeing the groupthink line, well, what would anyone expect? It's almost asking for it. It approaches baiting. It isn't there only by virtue of how absurdly thin skinned the reactions are, but anyone doing it has to know that a ban is incoming at some point.

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  • Yeah, when I do end up on ml or similar I very well know what I'm getting myself into, since I am disrupting an echo chamber. I've been banned twice, IIRC, but I didn't even remotely bother posting it here because I know that it's power tripping, it's not even a question. If anything, it provides some fun for tankiejerk or meanwhileongrad.

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  • [–] -5 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    I don't like the echo chember argument. For example ukraine sub will rightfully remove anything from tankis regarding the war of agression russia started.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Why though? What's the benefit of this?

    Tankies are mostly wrong about everything but occasionally they make a good point. These ideological bannings are pointless and create harmful echo chambers.

    I'm OK with it if you're creating a highly curated space where only sourced, factual information is permitted but that requires a lot of work and I've never seen it done on Lemmy.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Then there's no connection. I was talking about .ml, not other instances

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    The connection is the idea of echo chambers . Just because certain views are not allowed it doesn't it necessarly an echo chembers. One example is the ukraine sub it will not allow russian propaganda

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    So you went on a tangent. Fair enough.

    But I wasn't speaking in general, I am aware that curation and moderation are useful things. If you'll go back, my initial comment led off with a sentence that specified .ml.

    They create echo chambers on a regular basis, and do so using methodology that falls under "power trippin".

    But, back to your tangent about general echo chambers. I would partially agree with you. It is necessary to play gatekeeper when you moderate any community. Part of that is minimizing conflict. Since some communities are going to draw extra heat by virtue of being a hot topic, a moderator may have to deploy aggressive filtering, to the point of outright rejection of some types of comments.

    That may or may not result in an echo chamber. But it can, and does if the moderator isn't very judicious in their application of that tool set

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    NATO and the west force the world to recognize them and countries like China can't just stop trading with them without starting issues with the US. Countries like China and Russia will also happily support the Palestinian cause.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    their inhumane genocide vs our enlightened ethnic management.

    campists gonna camp. anyone who abandons class solidarity based upon the nationality of the oppressor isn't a particularly well-read communist. 😂

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Not to nato level. China and russia are complicit because of trade but the west and nato back them with weapons and diolomatic protection. I am no tankie snd I believe russia is the agressor but yesh nato back up israel colonization

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    I'm not denying NATO support. I'm just pointing out that almost all states support zionism, especially their regimes of preference.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    In the case of India and China, the basic principle of foreign policy is that we have to recognise and work with the governments of all countries even if we don't like them. Recognition of, and trade with, Israel does not mean endorsement of zionism or any other policy of theirs. We simply recognise national sovereignity as an absolute principle.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Not sure if china really believe in zionism. China yes believe the creation of israel was legitimate because of the UN supported it which is ridiculous but they do not talk about how israel should forever remain a jewish state . For russia yes I agree they really believe in zionism based on putin own words

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  • [+] -15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (16 children)

    Just heads up dbzer0 is getting closer to .ml levels of delusion everyday so watch out when you're posting about zionists or tankies here too.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (14 children)

    Db0 is against zionists and tankis .

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  • [+] -9 points 3 months ago* (13 children)

    They voted to refederate hexbear so I don’t think so.

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  • [–] -5 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    You should show some respect to your elders.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

    I will when they don't show signs of [lack of mental function].

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    Is there another explanation for this claim?

    They voted to refederate hexbear [...]

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    You diagnosed me with a medical condition then said you weren’t able to respect me because of it.

    That’s pretty much textbook ableism.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Counterpoint, you're a shitlib

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