A quoted tweet reading "Louis C.K. Wins Grammy for First Special Since Sexual Misconduct Allegations" and a response reading "Dang they really got a category for everything"

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[–] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I just finished that 5 part YouTube by Comedy Without Errors series. Terrifying.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLog1D93gwEerd3KgO730aYbdmOO_0kHX_

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Can't recommend this series enough, does it need to be over 5hrs, not really, but it does paint a very thorough picture of the whole timing of Louie's misconduct and his response to being exposed

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Can you summarize it? I'm interested, but watching a five hour YouTube series is something I will never do at any point in my life.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    Basically compares the allegations as detailed in the initial reporting with jokes, podcast, and radio appearances that Louis has done in the past as well as his actions and statements after the allegations were made public. And the obviously biased and very condensed version i can give you is that there are several stories he told on opie and anthony about events that bear enough resemblance to the allegations to determine that there are likely more victims who have never come forward and never been recognized and that Louis has been working to minimize how this negatively impacts him without ever going so far as to actually try to make amends with the women he abused.

    If you are tempted to watch some I'd say start at the beginning and around the first time you catch yourself thinking "this fucking guy" after a clip of Louis telling a "funny" story on a podcast back before the allegations came out, then you've got the gist and the rest of it is just stacking more receipts

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I guess I watched a different special. I chuckled a few times but thought he was a shadow of his former self.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (27 children)

    Picture this, a phone you can just ...hang up.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (26 children)

    What is this in reference to? Are you suggesting that his victims could have just "hung up"? Are you (and apparently ten other people who upvoted this) under the impression that he assaulted those women over the phone?

    Because yeah, no, that's not what happened.

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  • [+] -23 points 3 months ago (24 children)

    He did two things, neither of which qualify as sexual assault, IMO.

    1. He masturbated while talking to some women over the phone.
    2. He masturbated at a party after asking for consent. No one said no.

    I’m not saying what he did was appropriate, but he really is at the far side of the “me too” spectrum compared to someone like Harvey Weinstein. The negative press and other consequences he experienced and continues to experience feel very much like an overreaction.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    Both of these things are absolutely sexual assault without consent. It doesn't matter whether you personally believe that 'not saying no' is consent, if the other party in the interaction did not actively want to engage in these sexual acts with him then he did not have consent, and he should not have attempted to engage in them.

    It doesn't matter if there are much worse people who have done much worse things, what he did is still bad, and it doesn't make the response to what he did 'an overreaction'.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago*

    As soon as they sat down in his room, still wrapped in their winter jackets and hats, Louis C.K. asked if he could take out his penis, the women said.

    They thought it was a joke and laughed it off. “And then he really did it,” Ms. Goodman said in an interview with The New York Times. “He proceeded to take all of his clothes off, and get completely naked, and started masturbating.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/arts/television/louis-ck-sexual-misconduct.html

    Literally the first paragraphs of the article

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (18 children)

    compared to someone like Harvey Weinstein

    I don't know anything about what Louis C K did, but the fact that you felt you needed to compare him to WEINSTEIN to downplay it doesn't look good to me.

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  • [–] -5 points 3 months ago* (17 children)

    Because Weinstein literally manipulated, blackmailed, and raped women - a true monster. That's quite a huge difference between what he and Louis C.K. did, but he's ostracized just the same.

    Some people just cannot escape this kind of virtuous blackhole - apologies and amends are just never enough, because nothing is for some people.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    What do you mean, "both are ostracized the same"?

    Weinstein raped people, was convicted, and went to prison.

    No one to my knowledge is saying CK deserves to serve time.

    The only 'punishment' they received in common was public condemnation.

    And I have no interest in the argument that what CK did wasn't "bad enough" for that - when that is the only consequence he is really eligible for.

    ...and per the post's point, it doesn't really even look like it was much of a consequence, unfortunately.

    I certainly will never watch or listen to anything he is in again.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    I bet victims of less serious sexual assaults are so thankful they didn't get Weinstein'd. Can we really even call them victims if they didn't get full-on raped?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

    Do they refer to themselves as victims? They didn't feel need to seek punitive justice, and as far as I know don't make rounds publicizing their stories. Sure it was all publicized, but at what point is a mistake a mistake between adults? Looking through the comments people are hardpressed to "forgive" like there are actual puritans walking among us. Louis C.K. didn't harm anyone involved, immediately admitted to it all, and apologized.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    What else would you call "people who experienced a sexual assault and or harassment?"

    Do they need to look and act more like victims for you to recognize them as such?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (6 children)

    I'd rather hear what they have to say on it; otherwise it's just using them to make a point. That's how the tabloids publicized them as.

    Mistakes happen; people are all kinds weird; people are fallible; lapses of judgement happen. Apologizes were made. No damages were sought. Everybody moved on.

    It's wild how little people are willing to forgive when there's so many real monsters out there; it's no perspective on the world IMO.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Many monsters don't think they are monsters - and they justify their entitlement to force sexual gratification from women the same way as CK.

    He is not a rapist but he absolutely deserves the condemnation he's gotten - both for what he has done and how much he fought accountability for it.

    And clearly you have the same problem - you think what he does is ok. Do you abuse women that way and think it's no big deal? Because you are wrong.

    Some of the women who accused him want to be called 'accusers' and not 'victims'. That does not have much to do with the severity of what he did as much as it has to do with how those labels frame them and in cases where they are trying to build their own professional brand (because they are also comedians), that him doing this to them was not only disgusting but that the fallout from it risks CK's assault on them competing with their online presence about their career - the thing they deserve to have, while CK's career should be flushed down the toilet.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    You're delusional. In what ways has he ever "fought accountability for it"?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    He initially denied the rumors. And then his public apology has been widely panned as a non-apology - he never even says "I'm sorry".

    Instead, he tried to redirect attention from himself to the behavior of the women - ie, to the power embalance he exploited to do this, using the fact that they admired him professionally to push the limits inappropriately with them - suggesting it was their fault for admiring him so much.

    He focused on the pain that this coming out caused him (how guilty he feels) without much acknowledgement of the impact it had on those he did it too.

    It was a pretty awful apology.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Every single thing said you've here is just fabricated. None of it is substantiated.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    He initially denied the rumors. It's in his Wikipedia page, and here's an article from Sep 2017 where he is denying them - https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/louis-ck-declines-discuss-sexual-misconduct-rumors-ny-times-interview-1037911/

    You can read the apology itself here - he never actually says "I'm sorry" or "I apologize" - https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-41950043

    This is a criticism written of the apology from then: https://qz.com/1126593/we-edited-louis-cks-statement-on-sexual-misconduct-to-make-it-a-real-apology

    Don't be an ass and say 'nothing you said is true' when the receipts are so easy to find.

    And find better role models than losers like him.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Right, Weinstein is a rapist monster so they should let the suffering artists do a little bit of sexual assault.

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  • [–] 55 points 3 months ago* (43 children)

    Just taking this opportunity to remind everyone that Louis C.K. has never made any tangible steps to make amends with the women he abused and yet he still goes on podcasts and talks about how the reporting on his sexual misconduct damaged his life and reputation as though he is the true victim

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  • [–] 125 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    Source? From Wikipedia:

    Both Corry and Schachner stated that C.K. privately apologized for his past behavior several years later.[142][144]

    In response to The New York Times reporting, C.K. released a statement apologizing and admitting guilt, writing, "These stories are true" and saying that while he initially thought "it was okay because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first", he went on to express remorse, stating, "the power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly."

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  • [–] 40 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Yeah out of all of the people, Louis has done his best to make amends. He did wrong, but we shouldn't shame someone for apologizing and doing his best to make it right.

    I loved his comedy before, and was heartbroken when I learned. I payer close attention to it. I believe what he said, he never even considered or thought about coersion, that the women weren't comfortable. He learned he was wrong and not knowing wasn't an excuse. Out of everyone, we should hope more men learn from Louis. He took the hard but honorable path. Is he fully redeemed? Only he can know, but he's working on it.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    This guy did a very long series of video Essays about why Louis behavior post accusations isn't so black and white.

    https://youtu.be/93nMBtXVAfM

    It's very long though.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    I disagree. Firstly, if you want a masterclass on repentance, see Dan Harmon's apology. Made actual tangible steps to better himself, and devoted an entire podcast episode to apologizing, and spent about 0 seconds of that podcast feeling sorry for himself or lamenting that he got caught, or complaining about the financial effect it had on him. Plus, he doesn't deny the story of the woman he harrassed.

    None of this is true for Louis CK. He says "everything they say is true", but then every chance he gets on his gigantic public platform, he repeats the blatant lie that he got consent. He didn't. In none of the women he harrassed's stories, he asks for consent. They deny that he asked for consent. All of them. And in his "apologies" he keeps repeating that he asked for consent. That's not an apology, that's just a lie.

    His "apologies" are mostly made up of three parts. The first is a sneaky denial of the victim's stories, the second he spends some time complaining about how this makes him feel, and how it affected him financially, and that he's looking to get back on top of things and better his situation. And then the third is where he explains that there's nothing he can do to make the world tangibly a better place (like, idk, staying the fuck away, donating to a charity for victims of sexual assault, trying to do anything to fix the careers he destroyed), and that all he can really do are these vague platitudes that help no one like (I wish I were making this up) "shaking one hand at a time".

    It's hard for me to think of a worse realistic public apology. Maybe "I didn't do it, but I'm sorry if you feel I hurt you" although that's already pretty close to what Louis CK is doing.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    "without asking first" they said no, by the way. and he sexually harassed them anyway. he specifically crafts his words to make it sound like he got consent, when he very much didn't

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    they said no, by the way

    I haven't heard this story. You got a link?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    They didn't said no, they didn't say yes either. And he took the lack of negative as consent. He was wrong, and has since recognized as much and promised to be different. Dude is a creep but he is not nearly the worst. He has always agreed with the victim's recollection of the events and haven't tried to twist their words. He thought it was OK and he got consent, didn't realize he was wrong until later. In the history of the Me Too movement, he had the best reaction one could hope from an aggressor.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    whoops my bad, i think i misremembered that they said no. they were stunned into silence and then he did it anyway. and then claimed that he always asked first, in order to minimise his responsibility.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago (27 children)

    I have seen him on a few podcasts talking about his shame and steps he has taken to realise the full impact of what he did and how he has changed

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago* (26 children)

    Your comment does seem to confirm TheBlindPew's point, that it's all about him. Did he apologize to the women?

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    He did. Multiple times from what I understand.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    From everything ive seen he's not actually apologized TO the women he abused, he has only ever really made public apologies where he says "this is all true, i thought I was okay by asking for consent beforehand" when there is credible reporting that on multiple occasions he did not even bother to ask for consent.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    I mean in fairness he was the one on the podcast and was potentially asked about it... I have no idea what he did or didn't with the women but I would hope he has tried to apologize personally

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (22 children)

    No idea, that not something most people would do publicly

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (21 children)

    He's a public figure who sexually assaulted public figures... In those situations, they usually do publicly apologize.

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  • [–] -5 points 3 months ago* (19 children)

    Well if you feel he hasn’t done enough you should probably avoid supporting him I guess

    Pretty loose definition of sexual assault you are using also

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    There's also the fact that he also had to "apologize" for attempts to cover it up and make sure it didn't go public by pressuring victims (or had his manager doing it). Only apologized after someone finally did go public with evidence.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    this is 2026. nuance is gone in these times now. people are either 100% good or 100% evil.

    no in between, anymore unfortunately.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    unfortunately

    Sorry, you think it's "unfortunate" that sex pests are being called out now? This isn't about someone being 100% good or evil at all, it's so much simpler than that.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago*

    The sex pest was called out. He lost multiple ongoing projects and hasn't had any notable work for literal years. He was never taken to court and has still apologized for both his behavior and directly to the women involved.

    Clearly none of that is enough for most people, so what is enough do you think? Like, the man was no Weinstein; get real.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I think given the nature of the assault, he is probably alright to come back, honestly.

    he's already been called out. you're making it sound like he raped babies or something.

    people can change and rebuild their lives. and I think he's free to do that.

    you can not like it. that's fine. just don't watch his stuff or follow him. its not rocket surgery.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (13 children)

    I honestly fucking hate that you're making me look this shit up and read about it again. It's was not just over the phone:

    As soon as they sat down in his room, still wrapped in their winter jackets and hats, Louis C.K. asked if he could take out his penis, the women said.

    They thought it was a joke and laughed it off. “And then he really did it,” Ms. Goodman said in an interview with The New York Times. “He proceeded to take all of his clothes off, and get completely naked, and started masturbating.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/arts/television/louis-ck-sexual-misconduct.html

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago* (11 children)

    Sounds like he asked for consent to me

    There is the question of if the power dynamic made it inappropriate obviously

    Definitely not sexual assault in my eyes, watching someone jack off isn’t the end of the world, there is a reason there was no charges or conviction

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Alright Louis, it’s time to log off.

    For real though, this is some serious psychopath logic. Consent isn’t just merely asking the question of whether you can do what you want to do without even waiting for a clear-cut response. If I ask someone if I can break their phone, they laugh because they think I’m joking, and then I go and actually do it — guess what? There was never any consent.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    It sounds to me like he waited for consent and this is just her words

    I don’t really want to live in a world where people are punished because people change their mind later after consenting to something

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    So essentially you're saying she was lying, or at least disingenuous. And that she "consented" but later changed her mind. I can't say I'm surprised you're of the crowd that gives the benefit of the doubt to sexual predators over victims, but it definitely doesn't make it any less jarring to see it so blatantly.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago*

    He never sexually assaulted anyone and was punished plenty

    Not calling anyone a liar but I can’t come to the same conclusion as you reading what was said

    Stop trying to paint me as someone other than reasonable, I’m just not an over zealous social justice warrior

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (5 children)

    Cool.

    I hope you're never in a position where the person with an inordinate amount of power over your career puts you into a situation like that.

    Hint: There cannot be consent here due to the power imbalance.

    Even if that wasn't true, what you just described isn't consent. I fear for every young woman that comes in contact with you.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    Of course they can, get real

    Other female comedians have come forward and said it happened to them and it was consensual and they didn’t care

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    Good for them

    Of course they can, get real

    No, they can't. It's fucking alarming that so many people can't seem to grasp this.

    There is a reason why teachers are not allowed to have sex with their 18 year old students.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Two arguably consenting adults cannot be compared to a teacher / student relationship

    What planet do you live on?

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  • [+] -10 points 3 months ago

    Oh, didn't realise it was out, yet. Nice!

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