I met a white American guy that lives in China over the weekend, he was awesome. No real story about it, yes he said he can speak mandarin and he had the friggin cutest little half Chinese baby with his wife. Shoutout Paul
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Finally, a half-decent meme about something I agree with. Thank you for making a not dogshit meme like half of the communists on this forum lmao
I lived in china for 4 years, got out of the expat bubble, lived in smaller cities and I gotta say, for people that have never been to china or actually been friends with Chinese people, y'all are pretty allergic to any criticism, no matter how legitimate, of china. Maybe take a step back from YOUR OWN biases and be a little objective. There are great things about china. There are bad things about china. No country's perfect
Literally nobody here says that China is perfect or that there aren't bad things about China. The reality is that no human society is perfect, but ones not run by pedo kleptocrats are objectively better than ones that are.
Quite the impressive straw man you've built here. At risk of falling into a no true Scotsman, I have never seen anyone on here even approach implying China is perfect simply that criticism should be situated within the proper context of material reality and pushing back on the unfortunate tidlewave of nonsense many people seem to believe is true and valid criticism.
You haven't been the discourses I have. All my previous comment is based on firsthand experience right here on lemmy.
So's mine, and my experience says you're lying about your experience
Imagine someone having a different experience than you. The shock and horror.
Might it have anything to do with your demeanor, disposition, actions and words?
Idk, I've been much more civil than you. Probably has to do with the fact my views on china aren't as rosy as the sinophiles here on lemmy. Usually goes something like this "Idk man, there's a lot of merit to the claim that there's aggressive censorship in China. I experienced it firsthand." And the response will be something like "You're a brainwashed western chauvinist."
But I also get it from the other side. Like when it comes to healthcare in China. People call me a liar when I tell them it was fast, cheap, and good.
So I guess I'm a liar to both sides of the china brain rot.
Idk, I’ve been much more civil than you.
Haha, no.
Probably has to do with the fact my views on china aren’t as rosy as the sinophiles here on lemmy.
The classic western liberal thing of pretending that any other westerner who sides with the empire's enemies must simply be doing it out of some kind of contrarian fetishism or pseudoreligious mania. Whatever the reason you decide, it can't possibly be that the communist is in his right mind, because that's a terrifying prospect you have no answer for.
Why not? As a "woke lefty" China is pretty great in my opinion.
Regarding the vocational schools in Xinjiang, framing them as "concentration camps" is ludicrous. Western allegations of genocide didn't stick due to lack of evidence, and as such the west turned to vague allegations of "human rights abuses." These allegations are largely dramatized and exaggerated, but still, you can start to put together the lack of credibility. That's not enough, though, to dismiss. Where did they come from? And why?
Prior to the establishment of de-radicalization programs, western-backed terrorist attacks were common, in order to disrupt the Belt and Road initiative (where Xinjiang is key to expanding westward). These included:
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July 5, 2009: The Urumqi Riots resulted in 197 deaths, and 1700 wounded in mass stabbings.
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October 28, 2013: Tian'anmen Attack, 5 killed, 40 wouded, when a Jeep was driven directly into crowds.
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March 1, 2014: Kunming Train Station Attack, 31 killed, 141 wounded. 8 jihadists committed mass stabbings.
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May 22, 2014: Urumqi Attack, 39 killed, 94 injured as 2 attackers drove cars into crowds and threw explosives at buildings.
And many more. Since the de-radicalization efforts, these attacks have gone down to effectively 0. The reason for these attacks was because Xinjiang is geostrategic for the Belt and Road initiative, which is why the west stoked anti-China sentiment among the Uyghur peoples, funding terrorist groups and separatists. When China responded not with tanks and bombs but with vocational centers and investment in the region, the west pivoted to claims of "genocide," then walked those claims back to "human rights abuses" when no evidence for genocide materialized.
I recommend reading the UN report as well as (especially) China's response to it, which eclipses it in size and detail. These are the most relevant accusations and responses without delving into straight up fantasy like Adrian Zenz, Christian nationalist and professional propagandist for the Victims of Communism Foundation, does.
Qiao Collective also has Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation as well. This is my personal recommendation for a Chinese Marxist perspective.
"General authoritarianism" is a nonsense claim. All states are monopolies on violence. What matters is which class controls the state, not if this or that state has power, as they all do. In China, the proletariat is the ruling class, and they use this authority to direct production and distribution towards pro-social ends. This is because China is a socialist country.
Regarding "tanks running over folk while their out doing their shopping," this is also nonsense and have no idea what you're trying to get at. Same with the idea that Chinese citizens cannot watch Winnie the Pooh, he's an incredibly popular character and is sold everywhere. What was censored were racist caricatures of Xi Jinping.
All in all, it's abundantly clear just how little you actually understand about China. If you consider yourself on the left, you owe it to yourself to stop regurgitating nonsense about a rising socialist state and instead get to seek truth from facts, so as to not play the role of a convenient fool for western capital.
Uighur concentration camps
Can you provide a source to read further into that? Preferably one that isn't sourcing from Zenz or from RFA (which in turn sources random tweets / "anonymous sources").
general authoritarianism
What kind of authoritarianism do people in China experience that isn't done by western governments, either directly or offloaded to the market?
tanks running over folk while their out doing their shopping
How come no photos or videos from one of the most surveilled place of those supposed tanks running over folk has been published to this date? Meanwhile we have hundreds of hours of footage of Palestinians in Gaza filming and publishing them getting genocided on the internet, and that is with Israel having complete control over their infrastructure, including internet access.
not being able to enjoy the antics of Winnie the Pooh
I don't think many Chinese people would appreciate being called yellow.
not being able to enjoy the antics of Winnie the Pooh.
Winnie the pooh isn't banned? Outside of Shanghai Disney having an entire Winnie the pooh themed area go to any miniso and there's literally hundreds of Winnie the pooh plushies and other branded stuff.
Lol this is like a young child describing what they think happens at the dentists office, just full on idiot horror fiction
"Winnie the Pooh"
ITT: "western leftist" proves their racist brainworm still alive and well. more at eight.
you just claimed to be a "woke lefty", and tho i won't claim you can't be from the global south if you say so but currently i'm leaning on you being this

Why bring it up, specifically?
They think this means “China spooky cuz evil (racist cartoon bear comparison) man is scary and evil!” Because, like the image presents, they have a paper thin understanding of politics. In their brain it is simply deliberate misunderstanding because they’re racist and think long time president = bad and that’s it.
If people want someone to keep doing the job they are doing, because they are doing a great job, then yes! Also, as communists, we aren't utopians. The older socialism of the Owenites and so forth was Utopian in that they focused on creating Utopian models and copying them. Marx brought a scientific approach to socialism.
Utopian vision for a perfect government
I didn't think you understand the people you're talking to nearly as well as you think
It's amazing how you people just simply can't help yourself but be racist assholes.
Hell yeah dude say some shit about my family working in a Foxconn factory next
Weird loser
That was probably me a few years ago.
My fault.
Its okay I used to be on that Winnie the Pooh shit
Thank you for taking your valuable time away from huffing gas to grace us all with your insights.
Says dumb shit in public, acts all offended when called out on said dumb shit. Go clutch your pearls elsewhere loser.
d'aww so adorable of you to start projecting
Group malding lol
This is kind of (extremely) pathetic. Are you 12?
You're a necrophiliac, prove me wrong plus you're not allowed to call my accusation stupid and baseless
Don’t care how long they are as long as they are representing the interests of the proletariat, which is me and you and the farmers and industrial workers all around me etc. Then, when they’re too old to properly administrate, we have delegation/elections. Yknow, a thing called democracy? I’m American so I’ll give you the benefit of doubt that you also have never experienced a democratic system that was built with common people in mind, instead a corrupt false corporate lobbyist war machine that you (and i) have no choice but to feed. If someone were to prevent that, I’d let em be president for a fuckin 100 years
Just wait until you find out about the Supreme Court and how long their terms last.
ruler
It's so cute when you guys pretend to know stuff
I am actually open to being educated, so please - do explain. I am just allergic to condescending half-truths I see in most comments.
What happened at that square?
At the square itself, not much, peaceful demonstrations that were peacefully dispersed.
Outside the square on the other hand there were violent clashes between the military (acting as riot police) and violent rioters.
Thanks for a genuine answer. What was the riot about, and how did it get violent?
I had spoken about this to my Chinese colleagues, and I heard different versions.
What was the riot about,
Many things, but the 2 biggest groups student groups protesting peasants needs being prioritised and hardline gang of four supporters protesting reform and opening up.
how did it get violent?
Hard to pinpoint the exact starting incident but most evidence points to a US backed student group lynching a member of the PLA. You should also listen to the Chai Ling interview where she talks about her groups goal of causing bloodshed and causing a government response before she fled with US intelligence agency help.
People in China can talk about June 4th, 1989, and do. Further, if a leader is popular, what's wrong with them continuing to serve the people?
seems like the person regurgitating propaganda lines out of context may in fact be the one with the brain rot
No one ever said China is perfect, just that the China in reality is far from the China the west imagines it to be. Further, not sure what you mean exactly by "authoritarianism," the word is notoriously non-objective.


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