Under the proposal, anyone who publicly or at a gathering denies the right of the State of Israel to exist, or calls for its elimination, would face punishment.

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[–] 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

King Abdulaziz Al Saud, who opposed the partition of Palestine in 1947 and questioned why the Jews should be allowed to take someone else's land, said the most insightful thing ever said about it:

"Give them and their descendants the choicest lands and homes of the Germans who had oppressed them."

Maybe that's why Germany is so keen on enforcing Israel's right to exist: the logical alternative would be to give the Jews Germany instead.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    100% agree on this. Israel should've been made in some part of former germany after ww2. But the occupiers probably didn't like giving away their newfound land, and I also do kinda understand why jews in germany might've wanted to be geographically far away. Still, that's the one country that had it coming and if some people were displaced at the time, then no one would complain now.

    But if we were to do it now you're again displacing people that did nothing wrong. Not to mention that regardless of how many of them seem to support the genocide, most israelis also didn't choose to be there, they were born there (though at this point fuck them tbh, I'd only really feel for the ones actively opposed to all this).

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    [–] 9 points 4 months ago*

    This cannot be legal under EU regulation, and for fucks sake Germany, get a grip!
    You can't fight idiocy with even more idiocy, and in this case it's not even stupid to question the legitimacy of Israel.
    Goddam Germany is on the wrong track regarding Israel!! 🤢 🤮
    And no I am neither Arabic or Muslim. I'm an Atheist, multiple generations European.
    But for some reason I just don't think a country that exist to commit genocide should be allowed to exist.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I guess Nuremberg never actually finished the job...

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (7 children)

    Germany moves to criminalize denial of Israel's existence | The Jerusalem Post

    Why the fuck is the headline changed to be brain dead stupid???

    The actual headline:

    German parliament advances bill to criminalize denial of Israel's right to exist

    And don't use excuses like it's the stupid automated suggested headline, because this is so sloppy that the headline doesn't even make sense!

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    news title is "German parliament advances bill to criminalize denial of Israel's right to exist"

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago* (15 children)

    You really butchered that headline.

    "German parliament advances bill to criminalize denial of Israel's right to exist"

    the article also says

    "It does not restrict criticism of Israeli government policies or theoretical debate about Middle East politics.

    Art and academic works are exempt to the extent covered by existing protections for science and art."

    And while I'm not happy about anything that makes them happy, I suppose that is an acceptable law. I don't think hate speech is tolerable and I don't think Genocide is any solution in response to Genocide because it involves innocents getting caught up in it.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (10 children)

    One can recognize Israel's "right to exist" and still be genocidal towards Israeli Jews (e.g., "it has the right to exist as a Gaza-sized enclave in the area of present day Tel-Aviv, subjected to the same conditions currently applied by Israel to Gaza").

    One can refuse Israel's "right to exist" and champion the rights of Israeli Jews to live in security as citizens with full political and legal equality in a post-apartheid democratic, non-sectarian, and non-ethno-supremacist, secular state of Palestine.

    "Israel's right to exist" is not any kind of guarantee against genocide. It is merely a political technology aimed to paint decolonial perspectives as "antisemitic".

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    What?? How does that change the fact that the headline was butchered?
    Also it doesn't really make sense.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I was responding to this bit only:

    I suppose that is an acceptable law. I don’t think hate speech is tolerable and I don’t think Genocide is any solution in response to Genocide because it involves innocents getting caught up in it.

    My argument is that "denial of Israel's right to exist" does not equate "genocide".

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Don't pretend Israel has any intention of keeping Gaza intact. That's bullshit. Palestine has been shrinking for decades, and Israel explicitly supported the new US Admin whose stance is "death or exodus". They don't believe in Palestine's right to exist, they want to eradicate them.

    There is even leaked intel that the Israeli admin knew the music festival attack was coming and did nothing to stop it.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Nothing I wrote supports the assertion that "israel has any intention of keeping Gaza intact".

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (4 children)

    (e.g., “it has the right to exist as a Gaza-sized enclave in the area of present day Tel-Aviv, subjected to the same conditions currently applied by Israel to Gaza").

    The conditions applied to Gaza by Isreal do NOT respect its right to exist.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    I specifically brought up this fictional horror scenario as an example of genocidal thinking, with the intent precisely to distinguish between the fictional "right to exist" of a state and the very real "right to exist" of a people.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Interestingly enough, it was argued many times over by Plato in his writings that the purpose of having a family, getting married, etc. is the value it would bring to the State.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    I don’t think Genocide is any solution in response to Genocide

    Paradox of tolerance:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    I believe in this but I believe it is applied at an individual scale. Try each and every Israeli soldier for their crimes, fine by me, but the innocents will walk free.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    it is applied at an individual scale

    No mot at all, it's one of the best arguments to not allow discrimination, and fascism, and many other greater scales of intolerance.
    It can be applied to Israel in the exact same way it can to for instance Nazism.
    Tolerating Israel is tolerating intolerance. And Israel has developed in such a way, it can be argued the country exist only to commit genocide against their neighbors.
    It is absolutely intolerable that Germany now protect Israel so they can do the same that the Nazis did against the Jews, they are attempting to right a wrong, by aiding Israel in doing the exact same wrong once again. It's disgusting, and it's disgusting to see people arguing that we cannot even talk about stopping it!
    Shame on you!

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