Under the proposal, anyone who publicly or at a gathering denies the right of the State of Israel to exist, or calls for its elimination, would face punishment.

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German parliament advances bill to criminalize denial of Israel’s right to exist

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[–] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (10 children)

One can recognize Israel's "right to exist" and still be genocidal towards Israeli Jews (e.g., "it has the right to exist as a Gaza-sized enclave in the area of present day Tel-Aviv, subjected to the same conditions currently applied by Israel to Gaza").

One can refuse Israel's "right to exist" and champion the rights of Israeli Jews to live in security as citizens with full political and legal equality in a post-apartheid democratic, non-sectarian, and non-ethno-supremacist, secular state of Palestine.

"Israel's right to exist" is not any kind of guarantee against genocide. It is merely a political technology aimed to paint decolonial perspectives as "antisemitic".

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    What?? How does that change the fact that the headline was butchered?
    Also it doesn't really make sense.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I was responding to this bit only:

    I suppose that is an acceptable law. I don’t think hate speech is tolerable and I don’t think Genocide is any solution in response to Genocide because it involves innocents getting caught up in it.

    My argument is that "denial of Israel's right to exist" does not equate "genocide".

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Don't pretend Israel has any intention of keeping Gaza intact. That's bullshit. Palestine has been shrinking for decades, and Israel explicitly supported the new US Admin whose stance is "death or exodus". They don't believe in Palestine's right to exist, they want to eradicate them.

    There is even leaked intel that the Israeli admin knew the music festival attack was coming and did nothing to stop it.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Nothing I wrote supports the assertion that "israel has any intention of keeping Gaza intact".

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (4 children)

    (e.g., “it has the right to exist as a Gaza-sized enclave in the area of present day Tel-Aviv, subjected to the same conditions currently applied by Israel to Gaza").

    The conditions applied to Gaza by Isreal do NOT respect its right to exist.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    I specifically brought up this fictional horror scenario as an example of genocidal thinking, with the intent precisely to distinguish between the fictional "right to exist" of a state and the very real "right to exist" of a people.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Interestingly enough, it was argued many times over by Plato in his writings that the purpose of having a family, getting married, etc. is the value it would bring to the State.

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