I just watched the EU parliament plenary and they just voted in favor of Chat Control. I can't understand what's going on in their head. The last speaker before the vote had very good points.

I think we should now verify who voted in favor and have all their communications be public from now on.

Edit: name and shame below.

spoilerECR - Axinia, Bielan, Brudziński, Geadi, Gosiewska, Jaki, Kamiński, Kanko, Maląg, Ruissen, Rzońca, Teodorescu, Van Dijck, Van Overtveldt, Wiśniewska, Zalewska, Złotowski

PPE - Aaltola, Abadía Jover, Adamowicz, Aftias, Agius, Arimont, Arłukowicz, Beke, Beleris, Bellamy, Benjumea Benjumea, Bentele, Berger, Bernhuber, Bogdan, Brejza, Brnjac, Buda Daniel, Budka, Bugalho, Buła, Carberry, Casa, del Castillo Vera, Černilec Tomašič, Crespo Díaz, Cunha, Dahl, Dávid, de la Hoz Quintano, De Meo, Doherty, Doleschal, do Nascimento Cabral, Dorfmann, Düpont, Ehler, Estaràs Ferragut, Ezcurra Almansa, Falcă, Falcone, Farský, Ferber, Fourlas, Gahler, Gasiuk-Pihowicz, Geuking, Gieseke, Giménez Larraz, Glavak, Gomart, González Pons, Gotink, Gronkiewicz-Waltz, Hadjipantela, Halicki, Hansen, Hava, Herbst, Herranz García, Hetman, Humberto, Imart, Jarubas, Joński, Juknevičienė, Kalniete, Kefalogiannis, Kelly, Kemp, Kircher, Köhler, Kohut, Kokalari, Kolář, Kollár, Koning, Kopacz, Kovatchev, Kulja, Lakos, Lanig, Lazarov, Le Callennec, Lenaers, Lewandowski, Lexmann, Liese, Lins, Lopatka, López-Istúriz White, Łukacijewska, McAllister, Mandl, Marczułajtis-Walczak, Martusciello, Mato, Mažylis, Mehnert, Meimarakis, Meleti, Mertens, Millán Mon, Montserrat, Morano, Moratti, Motreanu, Mureşan, Navarrete Rojas, Nerudová, Nevado del Campo, Niebler, Niedermayer, Novakov, Nykiel, Pascual de la Parte, Pedro, Pereira, Pietikäinen, Polfjärd, Popescu, Princi, Protas, Radev, Radtke, Ratas, Ressler, Ripa, Salini, Saudargas, Schenk, Schwab, Seekatz, Sienkiewicz, Simon, Sokol, Solís Pérez, Sommen, Sousa Silva, Stier, Szczerba, Teodorescu Måwe, Ter Laak, Tobé, Tomc, Tonin, Tosi, Toveri, Tsiodras, Vaidere, Vălean, Verheyen, Vincze, Voss, Vozemberg-Vrionidi, Vázquez Lázara, Walsh, Walsmann, Warborn, Wawrykiewicz, Wcisło, Weber, Wechsler, WEISZ, Winkler, Winzig, Wiseler-Lima, Zarzalejos, Zdechovský, Zdrojewski, Zoido Álvarez, Zovko

PfE - Androuët, Bay Christophe, Birkholm, Brasier-Clain, Bžoch, Castillo, Dauchy, Deloge, Deutsch, Disdier, Dömötör, Dostalova, Ferenc, Frigout, Furet, Győri, Gyürk, Hölvényi, Jamet, Knotek, Knot, László, Leggeri, Nagyová, Nikolic, Pennelle, Pokorná Jermanová, Rechagneux, Rougé, Szekeres, Thionnet, Valet, Varaut, Vicsek

Renew - Allione, Andrews, Azmani, Baljeu, Boyer, Canfin, Cassart, Chastel, Decerle, Devaux, Farreng, Goerens, Gozi, Groothuis, Grudler, Guetta, Henriksson, Katainen, Kelleher, Keller, Kulmuni, Loiseau, Ní Mhurchú, Picierno, Tomac, Van Brug, Verougstraete, Wilmès

S&D - Andriukaitis, Angel, Annunziata, Arnaoutoglou, Ballarín Cereza, Biedroń, Blinkevičiūtė, Bonaccini, Cârciu, Cepeda, Clergeau, Cristea, Danielsson, Dibrani, Di Rupo, Dobrev, Eriksson, Farantouris, Firea, Fita, Franqueira Rodrigues, Fritzon, Fuglsang, Gálvez, García Pérez, Germain, Glucksmann, Gómez López, Gonçalves Sérgio, González Casares, Grapini, Grossmann, Guzenina, Heide, Heinäluoma, Homs Ginel, Incir, Jalloul Muro, Laureti, López, López Aguilar, Luena, Maestre, Manda, Maniatis, Mavrides, Mebarek, Mendes, Mendia, Molnár, Moreno Sánchez, Moretti, Muşoiu, Nardella, Negrescu, Nica, Noichl, Ó Ríordáin, Pajín, Papandreou, Pellerin-Carlin, Penkova, Ricci, Ros Sempere, Sánchez Amor, Sancho Murillo, Sargiacomo, Schaldemose, Scheuring-Wielgus, Schieder, Serrano Sierra, Sidl, Śmiszek, Tarquinio, Tavares, Temido, Topo, Tramacere, Vind, Zingaretti

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[–] 15 points 4 months ago

the lust for power

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Every payment sent, every penny received, every communication, every deal that they try to strike should all be publicised as they seem to forget which direction the transparency should be.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    If I'm not mistaken, politicians and military are exempted because of reasons. They didn't forget, they reversed it. 🤷

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    That's my point. They are the ones who should be transparent. The reason they are pushing this, the reason SKG was beaten etc.. They need reminding.

    It won't be long before they are at our doors, cap in hand begging for us to tick their name on a ballot paper as we should believe that they are the best person/people for the job.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    In my country information about who politician meets in the Parliament building should be open information by law.

    It's very common that, if reporter asks for these documents they are suddenly misplaced or accidentally burned. It's already a joke a this point.

    If they are doing shady shit, they could just go somewhere else.

    Whole idea is just to give a middle finger to transparency.

    Nobody is liable to those records and they want to keep it that way.

    You don't just need laws for transparency, there also always has to be consequences throughout the line. It feels like everything that is passed these days, doesn't have any.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    Use an P2P chat and show the middle finger to the chat control. Official chats, like WhatsCrap and similar are anyway controled since ever.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    this is some next level lobbying, to even push this so hard and while some of the opposition wont even be there, this is incredible, but i dont get it, even if you pass this through where is the infrastructure to handle all of this?? all in all this is just disgusting level of lobbying

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    [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The problem ia that you're assuming their decisions are in good faith. They're very much not. Chat control = control. Destroying privacy only benefits the local gov.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 months ago*

    I'm not assuming their decisions are in good faith. I'm assuming they represent/belong to a party with guidelines and are voting publicly.

    And it shows. The left and the greens have voted with consistency against. Just to many no-shows to make a difference, however there were no-shows from both sides.

    But, the slight left, soc-dems, or however they are called, and center, has, with very little exceptions (which I salute), exclusively voted for it. And this is not according to my understanding of the guidelines but I suppose this is subject to interpretations.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    So this actually happened? Fuck me, thats bad news. I only just found out it was happening and it's already done

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Deciding on the Procedure means Deciding on the Substance

    If the urgency is approved on Tuesday, the decisive vote on the substance is scheduled to take place as early as Thursday – the final sitting day before the summer recess. Experience shows that significantly fewer MEPs are present on this day. However, since 361 votes are required for amendments or a rejection, the reinstatement of the expired “Chat Control 1.0” regulation would become virtually inevitable.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Fuck, how do I do a multiline spoiler? 😂

    ughI managed somehow.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Is this the old Chat Control 1.0 or the new Chat Control 2.0?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    What the fuck do we do now?

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    Let's hope it gets voted away again in two days.

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