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[โ€“] 80 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Reminder that slavery is still legal in the US, if theworker is incarcerated.

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  • [โ€“] 16 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    They are not called workers, then.

    They are called slaves, then.

    Workers are part of the proletariat.

    Slaves are part of the slave class which in the US is reflected in the carceral state as you have pointed out.

    But call them slaves as that is what they are. We have taken their identity. And we have taken their rights. And we sell them into work. We do no favors calling prisoners anything but slaves because they have been erased institutionally.

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  • Not every state has the ability to force labor (generally per their state constitutions), if I remember a conversation I had years ago with my dad who was a judge. Just they tend to structure their prison sentencing and early release programs such that you're trading years more of your life if you don't "voluntarily" cooperate. So you know, tomato tomato.

    It's one of the bigger problems my state has, its reliance on its prisoner-slave workforce for vital services.

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  • [โ€“] 17 points 4 months ago

    As the law requires US military gear to be made in the USA ... guess who gets to make it as repetitive cheapest bidder ?

    Seems like the USA is really more like Sparta than maybe it wants to admit.

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  • [โ€“] 12 points 4 months ago

    They're trying to build a prison for you and me to live in

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    $11b worth of goods and services sounds like a lot, except that there are at least 1 million people locked up. Even if they don't have to pay the prisoners for their labour, the cost of keeping them locked up is much, much higher than the value of any labour they perform.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 4 months ago*

    Yeah.. according to the stats in this post, about 1.9 million people are behind bars.

    11 billion a year between 1.9 million prisioners is about 6k per year per prisoner.

    So that's about $500 a month per prisoner. Which is not as big of a number.. and according to the article, the prisoners still get paid a fraction of it.. it's just that 80% is used "for room and board, court costs, restitution and other fees, including the construction and maintenance of prisons".

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  • [โ€“] 22 points 4 months ago (13 children)
  • [โ€“] 24 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    China is not a founding NATO country

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    lmao you people are the worst hypocrites ever , no matter what the west does you'll just turn around and say WHATABOUT CHINA !!

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 4 months ago

    What? I think it goes along OP's point and is a nice reference to add.

    Or what's the problem? I mean China is doing good on the graph in comparison to USA. Very good.

    Everyone - except you, US -, please give yourself a tap on the shoulder.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Used to be that China was on par in that regard say... 10? 15 years ago? I remember seeing a comparison, it was more neck at neck, but I think they reduced it and the US massively increased it, so it's high but not US high.

    Similarly something about military spending; same US ballooning in the past few decades.

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  • [โ€“] -1 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Russia solved this problem

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    Should be even less today. Today it's about 210

    rbc.ru/rbcnews/society/04/03/2026/69a813889a794753b3684625

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    [โ€“] 17 points 4 months ago

    Fascism is colonialism turned inward.

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  • [โ€“] 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (8 children)

    If you include probation and parole, you don't even need to limit it to NATO nations. It's 300% bigger than anything else. It's over 300% bigger than the Soviet GULAG system at its height and they were holding Nazis in there.

    Edit: downvoters just hate my instance I guess

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  • [โ€“] 13 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Well you can't hold Americans in bulk without getting a few Nazis by accident.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Or without turning some into Nazis. Gangs are prevalent in high-security prisons and often these gangs are racially segregated with the white ones being neo-Nazis. If you're placed in one of these prisons as a white guy your only options may be either to stay unaffiliated and be outcast and vulnerable to attacks by other prisoners, or join the neo-Nazi gang for protection. It's fucked up.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    I've known a few people who had to do that who were definitely not nazis.

    Its not a good thing to do, but the thing about sitting at the table with Nazis doesn't really count if you're shackled to the table.

    Also, not true in every part of the american prison system. Different states differ massively. None of them are pleasant, but like police departments; they all have their local flavor. NYPD doesn't use gas weapons and makes up for it in other ways, Portland fogs the city, Atlanta are all puppyboys the... I want yo say Dakotas? Those cops generally like water cannons and freezing temps. Chicago is pretty up front about just being the toughest gang, their torturers actually trained the cia's guys, and the LAPD likes their guns, their operators, their fire, and sometimes just blowing up a neighborhood to keep subversive elements on our toes.

    The prison system is no different. Or rather, as different.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Sure you can. See the pardons.

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  • That's filtering them out, and that's only their favorite most visible Nazis. Some always slip through the cracks cries in judge language

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    22% of the worlds incarcerated people are held in the US iirc

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  • Fun fact: the American Legion was founded after WWI and was intended to keep returning American veterans from becoming communists. Legionnaires were employed in their Legionnaire uniforms as strike-breakers, until public outcry forced them to stop ... wearing their uniforms while strike-breaking.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 4 months ago
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    Fascism is when bad thing

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 4 months ago

    America:Europe::Carthage:Phoenicia

    when you have a colonial project eventually you'll make a colony so profitable it will shift the center of your empire. the indigenous collectivist elders i've talked to have generally been of the same mind that Europeans (including Americans) are a young people who refuse wisdom when it is presented to them because like toddlers we refuse to look at the world with open eyes, and instead rely on short term decision making. hopefully as America demonstrates itself to be an empire in decay we can look towards Pan-continental movements (Pan-Americanism, Pan-Africanism, Pan-Europeanism, Pan-Pacifica) to learn how past post colonial societies transitioned from subjugation to collective beneficiallity without creating false hierarchies based on national identity. however, i haven't been impressed with certain groups' ability to look outward for new (to them) wisdom rather than only looking within their local milieu for the same rigid dogmas they already practice, just with a new veneer

    someday though, the world must be free and the greatest law of all will come from the land, and not from a hereditary succession of power. there is a 16k year old war against the land. the rich and the powerful convince us that they can win with more power, but the earth itself cannot lose this war. it is unfathomably powerful. to fight against it, as the petrostates do, is folly. only those who fight alongside the land, to protect our water, heritage, and rights, can be on the winning side

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