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[+] 56 points 4 months ago (35 children)
  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Its because sex work is one of the oldest predominantly women run industries in history, so it has constantly been attacked because its one of the few ways women in history have been able to accumulate wealth and power for themselves. Men love making laws that hurt women after all.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago*

    Selling drugs isn’t really quick and easy cash because of said risk.

    There isn’t really a connection to sex work the way you’re trying to make it here. No one is stopping you from stripping down, waxing, taking professional photos, posting them in a variety of different places to try to get people’s attention, send messages every day to men you don’t care about, prep and do hair and make up for hours every day, and just to make a scant amount each week.

    It’s all work at the end of the day.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (30 children)

    I don't understand why some people act like there's no difference between selliing access to your intellectual or physical workforce, and selling access to your intimacy.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (29 children)

    I kind of think it's jealousy. It looks super easy for women to make good money doing sex work. I'm not saying it is super easy, but it has that appearance. It looks like they get to take a few pictures, some video, and they're making just as much or more than the man that's upset about it.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (28 children)

    I’d love for any of those jealous men to try to sell themselves on a platform like onlyfans and see how hard it is to make money.

    It’s actually rather difficult and time consuming.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    Have you forgotten about gay men?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (12 children)

    No. That's a much smaller and specific audience.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    Women have to be specific when selling sex, too.

    Have you taken the time to read the rules of this community yet?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (10 children)

    Is it against the rules to state the obvious? Look, I'm not trying to attack or degrade anyone. I'm not saying women in sex work have it easy, I never even implied it.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    This is a women’s only community.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (8 children)

    Okay, does that invalidate anything? It came up under the all section, my bad for being a wondering traveler I guess.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    It’s clear you don’t belong here and there is a responsibility to adhere to community rules.

    It only took you like 2 comments before you revealed that you do actually think it’s easy for women to make money on onlyfans just by being women.

    So not only are you breaking the very first rule of this community, but you’re also doubling down on a misogynistic stereotype.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    I did not. It took you misinterpreting what I have written to convince yourself that's what I said. I clearly said it's not easy for anyone.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Look, I had bantered with you about how these types of men should try it and see how hard it is.

    You snapped back and started arguing about it.

    Women who sell on onlyfans have to be specific and market themselves and finds fans willing to pay as well. It’s not enough to just be a woman and be naked online.

    I’m not going to get into the intricacies of selling oneself online with you here because this isn’t the place for it.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    It’s not enough to just be a woman and be naked online.

    I agree and never said it wasn't. I actually said the opposite. I said it only appears to be easy.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    You're basing this on what?

    I know men and women who do only fans, I've helped film scenes for them. They all put in hours every day into managing their communities and generating content.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    I think they’re actually one of those jealous men hahah

    He literally believes the lie that it’s easy for women to make money on onlyfans.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    I know, well, second hand, how much work goes into it. I have a few friends who use it as a primary source of income and it's a constant, daily effort. You have to know marketing trends, keep up with your fanbase, send personalized messages to people you don't give a fuck about, not to mention the hours of hair and makeup, daily gym routine and diet to maintain.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah this guy’s heart is sorta in the right place, but he’s still falling for the fallacy that women can sell nudes much easier than men.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (7 children)

    Look at any list of top creators on OnlyFans. How many of them are men?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    And how many thousands of women are on onlyfans and also not in the top creators?

    You’re starting to reveal your real thoughts here.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (4 children)

    But that's just it. The number of women who are are successful are far greater than men. It's just a numbers game of having a larger potential audience. I didn't say it was easy, nor did I imply that it is. I quite literally said the opposite, that it only appears easy.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (3 children)

    The number of men who are successful doctors or chefs are far greater than women.

    You should stop while you’re ahead.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    You’re still pushing it’s much easier for women to do so than men.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not saying "much easier", but I do think you've stumbled upon where I think our disagreement truly is. I'm speaking in pluralities. Women and men, groups of people. Clearly there are more successful women than men. As any creator ranking can demonstrate. However, I think you are coming from an individualistic standpoint. Of which I make no assumption. For an individual woman or man, I have no idea if it's harder or easier and frankly I don't care because I assume they're both incredibly hard. A man has a limited audience and a woman has more competition. I have no clue what set of differences are harder than the other and I don't pretend to know.

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    [–] 36 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    there's a shocking number of men who love porn and despise the people who make it

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  • [–] 33 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    At least onlyfans does not make you loose limbs...Or your life. You also very rarely have to shoot anyone.

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    [–] 30 points 4 months ago* (6 children)

    Only one of them is making a living by killing brown people. But yeah, let's pretend someone selling nudes on the internet is the problem.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Hey Velociraptor please make sure you stay non political we are a safe space from that

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  • [+] 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] [S] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I don't see it as political? I interpret it as about sex worker rights

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago

    "You give people pleasure for money ? How disgusting !" - Former professional murderer.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago

    How dare women try to sell something that belongs to their future husband.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Aren't we all just selling our time and bodies if we are employed?

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (13 children)

    Does OF come with pension & lifelong healthcare benefits for you & family, & life insurance policy & travel benefits?

    ~ Happy Army Veteran Girl, never had to be a sex worker

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago

    that doesn’t mean sex work isn’t work, it just means it’s more exploitative and less compensated than other work. largely because it’s frowned upon by society, if not illegal.

    you don’t get most of these benefits while working at a fast food. are fast food workers not workers?

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    OF doesn’t come with murdering people, so it’s pretty good.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    Most military jobs don't involve combat. Most are desk jobs, administrative, engineering, logistics, culinary, medical, mechanical etc.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    It's still aiding and abetting killing, which is not cool.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    It's almost like there are laws in place that enforce and proliferate the systematic abuse of sex workers. On the other hand, it's easier to promise a pension when your employees sign up to go into a warzone.

    But you sound like someone who's never had to deal with veterans affairs.

    edit: Nice edit instead of just responding. I'm sure that's totally true.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Dude. My current job does not offer those. In fact, no job i've had over 30 years in IT has (health insurance is irrelevant, i live in a country with a healthcare system) .

    What has that got to do with the price of fish?

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    You still sold your body. And for what? To help further the goal of killing more brown people and getting more oil just so you get a come up? You just took the easy way for cowards,. That's nothing to brag about

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)
    1. Every human who has a body and a job, is selling their body.

    2. I joined the army at age 18 thinking of nothing but college money, travel, and adventure for pay. I got all of that. Of course knowing what I know now about how corrupt & evil every government & corporation is, I'd rather have not been born on this planet at all because I want no association with anything evil or corrupt, but here we are all born on earth and figuring out what to do with our lives and how to survive the best we can with what information we've been provided at any given moment.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (1 child)
    1. I've never had a job that I could get in trouble for getting an unauthorized tattoo or a sunburn so there's definitely a scale here
    2. You're right, but that's still a choice you made. I nearly joined the army at 18 because it seemed like the only way out of a bad situation, but I didn't, because I decided that I would rather be homeless. I'm not saying you made a bad choice by doing what you could for yourself, I'm saying it's nothing to brag about and certainly nothing to be proud of.

    Edit: Also I want everyone here to remember this quote the next time they think about thanking a vet for their service

    "I joined the army at age 18 thinking of nothing but college money, travel, and adventure for pay. I got all of that"

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    What is the point of your comment and ~ signoff ~ here? The original post is highlighting the hypocrisy of certain people looking down upon XYZ while proudly advertising their status as ABC. XYZ involves consensually selling illusions of one’s body in the form of digital images, video, chats, whereas ABC involves using one’s body to serve, ultimately, the large-scale destruction of other people’s bodies, property, lives.

    Before you signed up for the military, had you never heard of a war before? Are you from a country where there had been no war or mention of war or there had never collateral damage from other countries’ wars/invasions?

    Your comment comes across as this weird knee jerk defensive reaction like, well with ABC I got all these amazing bennies and I bet with XYZ you don’t get all those, huh?! And I’m Happy, too! I got Mine, soooooo take that XYZ ppl!!!!!!

    Meanwhile people on XYZ are trying to survive in this political/economic hellscape. (And it’s possible that ABC people are on XYZ too, they’re not mutually exclusive- that’s only what the hypocritical person in the original post would think)

    Are the people whose lives were destroyed by your military’s mission… Happy?

    Do you not realize this is how you came off?

    You’re really revealing how militaries do not encourage critical thinking and empathy. Or how they actively recruit people who lack critical thinking.

    Throwing a tepid “o yea young me just wanted bennies but now old me thinks war is bad and no one should do it” in a comment after others (rightfully, pointedly) respond to you does not cancel your original thought out.

    Some of the people in my life I respect the most voluntarily joined military or police forces and then quit, because they realized how deeply fucked up it was. Or if they served their military time, afterward they devoted time and energy to antiwar activism and efforts to actually change laws, persecute their own country’s war criminals, and change things for the better.

    Based on your comment, you are not that. (Yet)

    Deeply reflect on your contributions to the world and try to remember you’re not the only person in it.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    IMO, they are completely deferent things because use actually matters.

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