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It might not be that the person wants to exploit others but that exploitation is the norm in their experience in life.
The one that gets me is "Without the profit motive, no one would innovate."
Like, my dude, have you ever met an innovative person? You can't pay them to stop. It's a compulsion. Working for money is only impeding their innovative capacity.
Or "Who would go through the years of training to be a doctor or engineer?". Uh, the good doctors and engineers who do it because it's their passion. I don't want to go to a doctor who only did it for the money.
I mean. That's exactly why all these systems fail. The shitty people get ahead by exploitation or breaking the rules.
Right, and imo most people just want to get along. We just need a way to defend the commons from the shitty people rather than make them trillionaires.
Aka republicans
Like, even if that was human nature, shouldn't we try to overcome it?
We should. And in an ideologically pure society we would. I honestly think people try.
But you don't have to be a manipulative person to see the value of this argument, like the comic is suggesting. You simply need to look at the world you want to make through a defensive lens. The truth is, even if we built a society where it was not the norm to be manipulative and exploitative, there would still be manipulative and exploitative people - and in such a society they would quickly climb to the top of the social hierarchy and reclaim power. And the world would decline back to what it was.
This is not an argument for inaction, imo. Its an argument for vigilance. But it also means we cannot consider ourselves "above" or "beyond" the undesirable traits of humanity, because that would make us victims of the cruel and the selfish. It also means the acceptance of checks and balances on power, which sadly... don't always stick around.
The best reason to have children is for the free labor on your farm. Don't live on a farm? Force them to make shit you can sell on Etsy. Gotta make a profit somehow.
I think it's not that everyone wants to exploit, but if the opportunity exists and there are insufficient systems to discourage it, then some will. As demonstrated by [wide gesture at everything]
You can think something is human nature, but also think that you’re above that nature
I am above drinking, eating, and defecating.
I will proceed to live the rest of my life without doing any of those things.
Just other people. Obviously I'm better than them. Maybe better than the gods.
Bad@jlai.lu exploited me to comment
That's bullshit. Along with the seven deadly sins there are seven living virtues. You have free will and you decide what good or bad shit you get up to in life. Although there are exceptions to every rule. Sometimes we are shunted in specific directions towards the chute, just like cattle, and most choice goes out the window.
American leftists becoming addicted to extracting social capital this last decade kind of low-key has me thinking he might be right. Not that it's impossible to live that way but the will to power is just too strong for egalitarian notions to ever become a significant thing again.
We've got like a dormant virus in our souls that was just waiting for the internet to exist and for money to get low
There's no thing like an American leftist because there's no left in the US.
And who thinks otherwise are just dumb mouth shitters who only had US propaganda for meals pasture all their lives.
Well, I thought you had an accurate take up until the tourettes goblin made you reply to yourself there. Something tells me your own ability to make anything good in the world might be a vestigial non-prority next to impotently talking shit on the internet. So at least we have that in common
Don't ever compare your greedy cynicism with my accurate take on such brain dead society divided between bleach drinkers and those who expect voting out genociders (to make other genociders take place).
What does extracting social capital mean?
Like using other people or their conditions in a social setting to benefit yourself. Think of like how desperate people on the internet are to be seen saying the correct things in front of the correct people.
Or the phenomenon of dunking. When you dunk on somebody on the internet you're extracting a social value from them. It isn't as easy of a thing to do IRL or before the internet age but here we're operating in a marketplace of attention. Capitalism has infiltrated our very social interactions so we act like capitalists even when there's no money involved.
How is this measured?
Vibes mostly. Tracking karma like reddit encouraged people to act like they're in a market but it wasn't a real measurement in any way other than affecting the sort of posts and comments. I suppose if you wanted to put a number on it it's probably the number of people a given interaction reaches. Or maybe the amount of time people spend engaging with it.
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