What VPN have you switched to after the Mullvad situation. I have looked at nym and ivpn. But don't know if they are any good.

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[–] 25 points 4 months ago

i use proton.. airvpn looks good but i still haven't tried it

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    I am also considering either IVPN or Nym. Not sure which is best for best privacy/security. Probably IVPN? Can anyone more knowledgeable help me decide between these two?

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    I've been looking at IVPN as well. Nym seems interesting but seems very new and idk if they offer Wireguard configuration files (I don't think they're even WG-based? I could be wrong)

    I'm sitting on Mullvad for a week to do research into alternatives. Apparently their support team is handing out full refunds far outside their typical policy because of this shitshow, no questions asked. IVPN so far is looking promising, but I don't know a damn thing about the company and people behind it.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I have purchased nym last week.

    1. I got the 1 year plan which came at a great price (price is really important for me atm)
    2. its apps arent as robust and good as mullvad, use more resources. But still do able.
    3. They dont offer config files
    4. It's speeds seems pretty promising. Better than mullvad
    5. It takes it a while to connect. Maybe up to 1m. While mullvad connected immediately.

    If mullvad wasn't expensive for me I'd stick with it.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago

    yeah i'm switching to ivpn

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  • [–] 33 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I switched away from Mullvad when they killed port forwarding years ago. I have used AirVPN since and it has always been pretty good!

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    What do you guys use port forwrding for?

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    I use AirVpn as they allow port forwarding and are reasonably priced. They are no logs and allow payment through non-bank methods

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I have 5 days left, looks like I'm not gonna renew.
    I find the support of that political party pretty disturbing.

    I think I am just going to use tor for general browsing. Mullvad IP addresses get blocked just as much as tor these days anyway.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I've been pretty happy with Windscribe. They are headquartered in Canada, but they have also proven they don't keep logs. https://cybersecuritynews.com/court-dismisses-criminal-charges-against-vpn-executive-affirms-no-log-policy/

    If you're looking for a good comparison, I found the Techlore comparison table helpful: https://vpn.techlore.tech/

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago

    AirVPN does good for torrenting I use it now that mulvad doesnt support port forwarding

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    I'm a happy IVPN user. Small team, privacy enthusiasts, transparent, great products. Just a heads up, some IVPN subscription tiers offer MailX (email aliases, like SimpleLogin), ModDNS (like Contro-D or NextDNS) and Portmaster (app firewall, and SPN network, inspired on TOR). It's hard to compete!

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

    It really depends on whether you care or not about State Surveillance.

    If you don't and only really care about general privacy and things like not getting letters from lawyers demanding money because you torrented something, then any no-logs VPN will do:

    • For starters just having a VPN means it's not just a case of a lawyer claiming to represent a copyright owner demanding from a local ISP the identification of the user of a specific IP at a specific time (which many countries have made laws to facilitate, so they don't even need a court order) so now they probably need a court order
    • Then if the VPN is in a different legal jurisdiction said court order needs to be from a court there, not where you are. Even if said lawyer are there and get that court order, they still need the ISP in a different country to give them the information of the user whose IP is in the VPN logs, so that's a lot more complex.
    • Then if the VPN has no-logs, they can't even get the user IP address because it's nowhere to be found. They would need a court order to install what's basically wiretapping equipment or software in that VPN in order to catch a user whilst they're actually using that connection to torrent some file or other. No court is going to be issuing a wiretapping order for a VPN provider to catch a non-commercial case of copyright violation.

    If, however, you care about State Surveillance, then merely a no-logs VPN isn't necessarily safe anymore. You see several countries, such as the US and UK, have special surveillance courts (such as FISA courts in the US) which can issue court orders to facilitate data access for mass surveillance WHICH THE RECIPIENTS CANNOT PUBLICLY ADMIT THEY'RE UNDER. In other words, the wiretapping equipment/software to allow bulk tracking of what users are doing might already be installed at the no-logs VPN (and they cannot tell you about it otherwise they'll literally end up in jail) so it's not in fact no-logs because the likes of the NSA is actually logging it all. Any VPN hosted in such legal jurisdictions can be the target of it, any company registered in such legal jurisdictions can be the target of it and it doesn't matter how honest and pro-privacy the people in those companies are - I vaguely remember the case of a secure e-mail provider in the US (forgot the name now), who tried to fight one such court order and ultimately the only way they found to do so was to close down the service and their company.

    So if you VPN company is for example registered in Gibraltar (which is a British jurisdiction) or the US and they're still operating, they're very likely compromised and even if they're not, they can silently be compromise at any time.

    If you care about avoiding mass surveillance from actual governments, then beyond the usual autocratic nations you'll want to avoid VPN exit points in and VPN providers based in or registered in at the very least the US, UK and Israel and any of the regions under their jurisdiction (for example Gibraltar and the Channel Islands for Britain, Puerto Rico for the US), probably more broadly all the 5-Eyes nations (so, the first 2 plus Canada, Australia and New Zealand).

    So check were that "wonderful no-logs VPN" company is registered and were is based and avoid those in countries with insane civil society surveillance legislation like the Patriot Act and even avoid exit nodes of other VPN companies in such countries.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Gibraltar (which is a British jurisdiction)

    Do you happen to have more info on that? Which UK government agencies would need to have jurisdiction over their Gibraltar counterparts for this to work?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    The English Law Act 1962 stipulates that English common law will apply to Gibraltar unless overridden by Gibraltar law. This means that amongst others the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 as well as earlier and later laws around surveillance, apply in Gibraltar by default.

    I supposed one would need to find legal counsel in Gibraltar to determine if Gibraltar has passed laws that nullify English laws on surveillance powers, and until proven that Gibraltar has passed said laws the most logical expectation to have is that the same surveillance laws that apply in Great Britain also apply in Gibraltar because that's the case for most laws.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    Airvpn... few servers, but reliable on different machines and no problems.

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago (1 child)
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    [–] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I never got around to changing from PIA when they were purchased years ago. Haven't found any practical reason to change since, and though I get the backlash over the purchase.

    My main use case is keeping my ISP from cutting me off for seeding, and it's done that reliably.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago*

    Just remember that PIA's owner is kape technologies, which is a British-Israeli company. Their headquarters are in London but development is done in Tel Aviv.

    It sounds like you might already be aware but for anybody stumbling by.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Had a bad experience with Nym. It's not compatible with GrapheneOS. It runs, but there's a data limit that in my experience kept getting artificially hit by the forming and breaking of connections that occurs when switching GOS profiles. Maybe this happens less on stock Android?

    Regardless, I had to keep contacting their support for extensions. In 6 years, I haven't yet had to contact Mullvad support. It just works!

    I experienced DNS leaks when Nym claimed it was 'fully' connected. Mullvad.net could 'see' where I was located. That's not considering that in general the connection with Nym was much slower than Mullvad. Nym offered me an extended free trial, but I haven't claimed it yet. Reckon they'll need another couple of years to iron out the obvious issues.

    In summary, Nym felt like a very early prototype much more than a production-ready service.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    Personally I'm not using any of them that haven't been raided and proven not to keep records and as far as I know Mullvad is the only one who fits that bill.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    ivpn seems like a good enough replacement privacy-wise

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    I use Proton VPN, but also exist self-hosted VPNs which is better

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    From what I understand, the use case for a self-hosted vpn is pretty different

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago*

    You can benefit from both a commercial VPN provider as well as at-home hosted.

    My Asus WRT router, which I flashed with Merlin firmware, has a feature called “VPN Director”, I can connect to 5 different VPN clients at a time and forward my devices connections individually through each one.

    My Asus router also has the option to host a WireGuard Server which i then forward through one of the VPN clients with the VPN director.

    Essentially creating a multi-hop network, the flow goes a little like such;

    Device -> WireGuard Tunnel -> Home Network -> WireGuard Tunnel -> Commercial VPN Server

    The commercial VPN is my endpoint therefore what the internet sees when I browse however I also benefit from my PiHole which handles my DNS queries an blocklists.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    How does a selfhosted VPN work? I thought the purpose was to offload the connection so the ISP only saw the company IP...which is this case is an IP toed to your location?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Yes, a self-hosted VPN could reveal your IP, so you must hire a VPS server to host your VPN, so the IP you reveal is that of the VPS server located somewhere else, in turn you can configure proxies to mask the same IP of your VPS

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Im broke as hell so I'm using pia right now, I very much regret it I will probably switch to nym as soon as my subscription runs out.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    ivpn is the only one on the list privacy-guides recommends other than mullvad and proton - obviously their recommendations aren't law but a good starting point for looking into things yourself

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    I use self-hosted on a cloud bought by crypto, but it's primarily because my relatives living in a country with almost all VPN solutions and protocols blocked, so you always need to figure everything out yourself and try something new.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    What cloud service would you recommend? Maybe I'm over thinking I but I was looking into offshore VPS. But don't know if I really want to go through it all.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    I wouldn't advertize anything, but some criterias to filter by: crypto payments available (that's a good scrutiny even if you don't pay with it), server location and legal address not in the vault 7 if that matters. The VPN installation itself is pretty easy, you can find guides on the internet or ask AI. I believe, on the official OpenVPN pages there might be a simple guide as well. You just need to use terminal and that's all.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    Host one yourself on a cloud host that accepts cryptocurrency and asks no questions, if you want to do piracy. Otherwise if you're just trying to get your traffic cloaked for privacy reasons, a digital ocean droplet or a hetzner instance running OpenVPN is plenty.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    maybe a dumb question but isn't a hetzner instance directly connected to one's identity? I remember when setting up mine, they asked for ID verification. If so then the outgoing IP which is public is linked to my ID and would be a bigger risk of itself. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    Yeah, but if you want privacy, it's a fine idea to prevent public networks and such from examining your traffic patterns. My personal main use case for a self-hosted VPN is for using public networks for private traffic, and I wouldn't suggest doing hardcore high volume piracy through such a thing.

    The idea of using one for piracy is more focused on finding a VPS provider that can accept cryptocurrency and doesn't require your personal details.

    Edit: whoops, realized I got the premises backwards in my earlier comment. Sorry about that.

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  • I'm trying to figure out what the purpose of Nym is compared to a network like Tor or I2P. It seems to perform a symilar function, except it's a paid product.

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  • [+] -7 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    I care more about the results of privacy audits than I care about moral purity tests and bandwagon boycotts.

    I am paying for a service. I'm not tithing to a religion.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    While I generally agree, you know that right wing political beliefs directly correlate to shady corporate practices. I can no longer trust they aren't pulling a fast one and cutting corners.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    Audits don’t prove they don’t keep logs when a company do a audit on them Mullvad give them access to what they can audit Mullvad can just delete the logs from the servers when the audit is taking place it don’t prove anything.

    So you have to trust the vpn provider. And i have a hard time trusting a vpn provider where the person that ownes 50% donates to a party that is pretty close to a Nazi party.

    I am paying for a service. I’m not tithing to a religion.

    By paying for it you are indirectly funding a party that is pretty close to being a Nazi party.

    According to Mullvad’s Wikipedia page “Flamman also alleged he later stated it was sad that the party’s remigration policy was necessary”.

    “Remigration is a far-right concept referring to the ethnic cleansing via mass deportation of non-white minority populations, especially immigrants and sometimes including native-born citizens, to their place of racial ancestry.”

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  • [+] -8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    And your phone was built by child slave labor. By using it to type that you're basically a slaveowner.

    Or....

    We can think like adults. Paying for the best utility is not a virtue signal. End.

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