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[–] 10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I want to agree, but newsom.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    He's trying to deflect attention. He's against the billionaire tax that will be on California's ballots this fall.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Ratfucker opposes it in California, as if California doing shit first isn't what leads national improvements.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Ohhh, there's going to be an "economic reset" all right... and it's going to look a lot like the "economic reset" the liberal order foisted onto the world back in the 1930s.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    we don't care

    go home

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    [–] 68 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    wasn't this asshole against the billionaire tax in California?

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  • [–] 75 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Yes, but then he realized that showing his whole ass before his presidential campaign/election was a bad strategy. He's in damage control mode. If elected, I'm sure he'll flip back to not wanting it again.

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  • [–] 115 points 4 months ago (16 children)

    I believe, and this is as diplomatic as I care to be, that he is perhaps concerned with billionaires fleeing the state and that a national approach could prevent that.

    On the other hand it is more likely that his resistance to the CA tax and cheerleading of a national approach is purely performative as it will simply not happen at that scale, so that his pseudo-progressive veneer isn’t stripped away.

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  • [–] 71 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    On the other hand it is more likely that his resistance to the CA tax and cheerleading of a national approach is purely performative as it will simply not happen at that scale

    I think that's more likely

    That's really pretty standard Democrat fake leftist strategy - only openly advocate for a leftist proposal when there's no chance that it'll pass.

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  • [+] -6 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Isn't it a fake leftist strategy is to argue against voting for anyone that wants to tax billionaires.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    It's a leftist strategy to call out two faced billionaire friendly Democrats like Gavin fucking Newsom

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Gavin is the true Democratic party distilled to its purest essence: millionaires using leftist rhetoric to seduce disgruntled workers, while filling their pockets by serving the interests of other millionaires and billionaires.

    They'll implement a flagship "leftist" legislation (that in any other part of the world would be seen as clear right) for the next opposite administration to tear down, while keeping all the bullshit that's already in place.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    There's a billionaire tax on the CA ballot currently. Newsome has actively done everything he could to oppose it, and has promised to veto it if it passes. He doesn't want to tax billionaires, he wants the vote to happen in a forum that it won't pass in.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    that he is perhaps concerned with billionaires fleeing the state

    If they are not paying taxes anyway, why would that even matter?

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    It’s not that they are providing $0 in tax income, it’s that it’s nearly 0%. It’s still a chunk of change.

    I’ve heard that we wouldn’t feel the impact for 25 years.

    Even so, kick them out. They can live in beautiful Houston Texas, or sunny Arkansas. Or maybe they will decide paying up is worth the cost of being a resident of California

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Except evidence doesn't support mass flight of the rich with higher taxes anyway.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    It's all bluster. When you have households and businesses both supported by dozens to hundreds of employees you can't simply sell your house and buy a new one. You'd need all new staff to cater to your needs, would have to get new business licensing and real estate for your businesses to move, there's just a whole lot more than pulling up stakes and moving state when you're a fat ass dragon sitting on a hoard of stolen gold.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    "I can't tax billionaires in California, because they'd leave California"

    "I can't tax billionaires nationally, because they'd leave the nation"

    "I can't tax billionaires globally, because they'd leave the planet"

    There will never be a finish line in front of which these billionaire-class guardians won't shuffle their feet, nor a goalpost that they won't carry further. It's some real "I'll release my taxes after I get elected" energy.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    We don't even need a billionaire's tax for an "economic reset". I mean, we do because it's not healthy for our economy or our political system. But what will happen with a billionaire's tax? The money will just go to the government, which will spend it in arcane ways that the average person has little visibility or voice on.

    What we need is an increase to the minimum wage to whatever it would've been if it hadn't been consistently frozen and re-frozen and with mandatory CoLA, universal healthcare, repeal of Citizens United, repeal of whatever decision it was that said a company's ultimate responsibility is to shareholders, a breakup of a whole bunch of overweighted conglomerates, a breakup of media empires, a ban on "entertainment" masquerading as "news", a reform of the Supreme Court, vetc. There's a whole bunch of other stuff as well. But there's a whole bunch of stuff that could get accomplished without a billionaire's tax.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Taxing billionaires would benefit regular people even if the government burned the money. Or buried it. It would reduce the price of assets, like housing, and make them more affordable for regular people.

    Sure, it would be better spend the money on healthcare or infrastructure, but even if we just subsidized the underwater basketweaving industry, we would still be better off.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    On the other hand it is more likely that his resistance to the CA tax and cheerleading of a national approach is purely performative as it will simply not happen at that scale, so that his pseudo-progressive veneer isn’t stripped away.

    The idiots, aka 99%of voters, will only remember him promoting the national billionaire tax.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    he is perhaps concerned with billionaires fleeing the state and that a national approach could prevent that

    Not sure about his motivations, but we absolutely cannot be playing states off of one another to see who can bend over the hardest for the Epstein Class.

    Fuck that noise.

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago

    So he’s against the state level one that actually has a chance of passing, but for a national one that has zero chance, neat.

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago

    What an absolute fucking snake. He's been opposing the billionaires tax in Cali and now he wants to say it should be national where there is no chance of passage?

    Fuck this guy.

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Perfect democrat performative politics bullshit. It's on the ballot in CA and he fought it the whole time lol

    Take the L Gavin

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I understand it not being a CA only issue. It is a national issue.

    It is much easier for billionaires to move their money from state to state that out of the country.

    Musk abandoned CA because TX will give him everything he wants and never tax him. The US desperately needs wealth taxation and more progressive property taxation.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Yes, but if you are serious about it, you do what you can as you can. He's fighting it in CA and he'd fight it in DC too. If he were elected he'd suddenly push it a little further away. "I'll do it at my next term. I need to set up this framework first." Or something, and then there would always be more "work to be done beforehand" and he would never do it.

    The reason we have trump, is the racist magats, but the reason we couldn't fight them properly and keep them out, is newsom politicians and his buddies.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    The US desperately needs wealth taxation and more progressive property taxation.

    It's really hard to make a progressive property tax that won't be gamed by slumlords.

    A UBI makes all flat taxes progressive,. To deal with the other end, adjust the tax code so any time any increase in value is used it needs to be taxed as regular income.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago

    This asshole brought on Sharpio and other right wing grifters to agree with on his podcast but won't talk to real leftists.

    I've totally soured on his bullshit. It's all just an intern clapping back at Trump in Twitter, otherwise this is just Hillary Clinton in a man's body.

    Business corporate Democrat to the core.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago

    Too little too late for Newsome. He’s had plenty of years to talk up a rich tax. Dude is capitalizing on the rhetoric. Like thanks but no thanks bud. We don’t need a yes man. Need someone with actual ideals

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago

    He is a 2 faced centrist, family friends with Pelosi. He wont do it.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    It's all a smokescreen. He's not proposing a national wealth tax, just another minimum income tax. Which they won't care about because they don't earn significant income.

    Newsom said he supports “a true minimum tax on billionaires — a modern Buffett Rule — that ensures the people at the very top pay at least the tax rate their own workers pay.”

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    How brave to insist one something he can't deliver until after he is voted in as pres. I'd be more inclined to believe him if he actually supported the CA wealth tax

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    Californians are proposing a billionaire tax and he promised to veto it.

    Also, we don't want a stake in AI. We want to burn it to the fucking ground because it's ruining everything right now.

    Newsom is such a duplicitous motherfucker.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Crushes it in his state and then pretends to support it nationally. All with what time he has to spare from praising Israel, of course.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    I don’t want any stake in the future being built by AI because I don’t want the future being built by AI

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    Yeah, you're not gonna get your credibility with me back, bud.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I think Gaven Newsom should have all of his possessions thrown away.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    I don't believe this asshole.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    What stands in their way is the federal tax code, a corporate code, and an inheritance code

    Not that Prop 13 is Newsom's doing, but it's kind of rich hearing that from the governor of a feudal state with landed gentry. For those not in the know, Prop 13 allows a person to buy a house and pay a low property tax for the duration of their ownership. This low rate is reset when selling the house, but it is transferable to offspring. It's an actual law that creates a class of property-owning elite. The kind of NIMBYs who pay nothing to their community while voting down new housing or anything else that would threaten their property value.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Fine words, but does he have the credibility to back it up?

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    This bowl of fuckwit oatmeal is going to be the DNC nominee for prez, isn't he? We are soooo fucked!

    Can someone just nuke us or slam a gigantic meteorite into us? Just end it already, I'm tired of suffering under these fools and mouth-breathers.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Couldn't even win Florida wearing those flip-flops.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    While he fights against any "economic justice" in California, I trust his actions more than talk.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Millionaires too, but we can start with the billionaires and up. It would be nice if we could replace capital gains with a system that actually taxes their assets rather than what they get when they sell those assets, but that'll never fucking happen

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Dude is late to the party. Always is always will. I don’t true him to be true, he’s a reactive clown. Great twitter but he’s too center and that what we are going to see in this, it’s going to be half ass.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Hey Gavin! Remember that time you sat down with fascist Charlie Kirk and threw trans athletes under the bus? Yeah... I remember that you asshole. Fuck you and yours forever.

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    So, think they'll use THE PARLIAMENTARIAN excuse again for this one, if they can't avoid winning congress?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    Trump~ "No more wars!"

    Biden~ "Higher minimum wage!"

    Trump~ "I will build a wall!"

    Obama~ "Universal healthcare!"

    Bush~ "Christ is in my heart!"

    Clinton~ "Universal healthcare!"

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