top 52 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] 68 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The funny thing is that even with this massive overspending, AI companies aren't profitable. They need these companies to spend 10x the amount per token, and 10x the number of tokens. Probably 10x the number of customers too.

Burning energy, draining water, spending massive cash so they can lose money on a product that doesn't even do its job. How the hell has the bubble not popped yet...

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 61 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    The problem seems to be that it takes competent employees to get anything useful out of an LLM in the first place. However, it is these very employees whom the greedy CEOs want to replace. So the result is that an incredible amount of money is being spent on absolutely nothing.

    The logical conclusion, then, should be that it would make more sense to replace these useless CEOs with AI. Since they’re just making idiotic decisions for a lot of money anyway, there could be lots of savings.

    Unfortunately, however, that will never happen, because contrary to all that talk of KPIs and such, what really matters in the upper echelons of management is never efficiency, but rather ruthlessness and brown-nosing.

  • source
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I recently learned of a term "reverse centaur" and found the ideas in that article were very entertaining as a way to explain why CEOs are obsessed with LLMs. The author of the book being interviewed has a few hot takes that I think are pretty relevant here too. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/06/how-to-burst-the-ai-bubble-strike-at-its-roots/

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 44 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Indeed!

    “The bubble doesn’t want cheap useful things,” Doctorow said. “It wants expensive ‘disruptive’ things: big foundational models that lose billions of dollars every year. When the AI investment mania halts, most of the models are going to disappear, because it just won’t be economical to keep the data centers running. The collapse of the AI bubble is going to be ugly. Seven AI companies currently account for more than a third of the stock market, and they endlessly pass around the same $100 billion IOU. AI is the asbestos in the walls of our technological society, stuffed with wild abandon by a finance sector and tech monopolists run amok. We will be excavating it for a generation or more.”

    I think that pretty much sums it up.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    My employer has this figured out the right way: AI tools in the hands of competent employees can get a lot done. The engineers themselves agree and are long past their initial chilly reaction. They now have their workflows figured out and routinely report that they did something in minutes that would have taken them hours to do manually.

    And even under this rosier picture, token budgets are an issue. These guys have agents running agents running agents that use a whole ecosystem of internal MCP servers and skill plugins and on and on. They say they never shut their laptops because they have 6 or 7 things running at all times. The LLM usage is ridiculous.

    Once the LLMs cost what they actually cost, there will be a big time reckoning. First companies will crack down, then they will futz with on-premise models, then they will drive for SLMs and other slimmed down stuff. And they will pay the big guys 100x what they are now for 1/100th the usage.

    But hey I don’t know why I’m posting in substance about the real world when all we are here to do is say AI is bullshit and CEOs are dumb. Carry on I guess.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 59 points 4 months ago

    a big source of AI token ‘chewing’ is people just converting PDFs to presentations

    I haven't been this happy in over a year.

    giggles

  • source
  • [–] 53 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Reminds me of companies getting their cloud computing bills.

  • source
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Yup. I've had the same thoughts. There are many who still think its insane to have your own equipment. Now there will be those who think its insane to do your own thinking.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    Yeah, but you get to exchange cap-ex for op-ex!

    Nevermind that running a 48 core server in Azure with 16TB of managed disks is going to run about 21k a year, and you can practically buy a new server for that price.

    My company is tossing out their "old" equipment right now, which is why I have a nice server humming away in my basement right now.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    "We need cloud computing!!!!"

    5 minutes later: "Ok a monolith is good enough"

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Both of those statements hurt my soul, damn, why do you have to do that to me. On a Friday no less

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 43 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    If my boss would mandate the use of LLMs I would definitely abuse it to rack up the bill.

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I already am.

    I just debugged a report, found the issue almost right away. A missing number in a GROUP BY clause.

    Well if you're measuring what I do through LLM use, the Claude is fixing it instead. Hope that dollar was worth it!

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    I like to race the ai on most tasks and find myself winning on anything of substance. Sure SOME mundane tasks can be done but does it out weight the energy and infrastructure costs as well as reputation and morale.

    Even after all that you STILL need a human double checking and inputting the information.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 43 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Leadership are mostly idiots. They don't know how work gets done. They think like "wow it produced so many lines of code!" and don't know that's not a useful metric.

    My job had Microsoft do a four hour copilot demo for the entire team last week. (Surely an immense expense. They won't pay for most people to be full time with benefits). The guy used copilot to make a regex to parse html. A little surprised zalgo didn't show up.

  • source
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I'll one up you.

    Google's "principal evangelist" for Gemini did a 2hr presentation for almost 1,000 people at my company on Google Meet a few weeks ago.

    40 mins late due to nobody knowing how to get more than 500 people in a meet.

    He then spent 90 minutes showing everyone how to do shit that literally everyone knows how to do with AI nowadays; touch up old photos of your grandparents, make shitty marketing mascots and logos, etc...

    Here's an image I took during the presentation. For a laugh, look at the background text:

    A C-Suite exec got impatient and asked when we were going to cover how to use agentic tools and he said "oh I've got a little section at the end for that." Ffs

    Literally nothing useful happened during this meeting and nearly 1,000 employees were idle for no reason. A complete and utter waste of fucking time. Gemini dude didn't even bother to consider what use cases we might be looking into, he just did a boilerplate ELI5 of AI that would have been outdated in like 2022.

    Absolutely insane.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • load more comments (1 reply)
    [–] 39 points 4 months ago

    Eat shit you greedy corporate assholes, i hope all of your companies are damaged beyond recovery, you useless fucking tools.

  • source
  • [–] 36 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    These stupid companies are getting everything they deserve and I'm loving it.

  • source
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Nah. The bailouts will only be two or three tomes what they squander.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Indeed, they won't pay for these mistakes, we will.

    "They're too big to fail" etc., with another round of bailouts for our poor, beleaguered corporations.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 31 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    And Accenture itself reportedly started requiring senior staff to start using AI or risk losing out on promotions.

    Every time companies urge employees to use AI and then regret the cost. The fuck is wrong with people? Why are they pushing it so hard? Does Sam give them hand jobs if they use the most?

    I don't understand this need to pressure staff into using something and threatening punishment if not. Are they worried that their employees are not efficient enough? Pay them the token prices on top of their salary and see how stuff changes.

  • source
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago

    The fuck is wrong with people?

    That's the corporate hive mind, all afraid of missing out of a great productivity tool. And they think that because media these days just copies what the richest people say and hype it up because the rich these days only speak to yes-men.

    and then regret the cost

    Reality doesn't need to obey yes-men.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    This is actually very common across businesses. My company actually has our bonuses tied to AI adoption, so we have dashboards showing people's AI usage. Other major companies have done the same, which lead to the practice of "token maxxing" where people were using AI to make more AI calls to boost their numbers up.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Amazon did this and regretted it, canning their leaderboards.

    It's crazy to me that this is considered normal. Please use this product that will eventually replace you, kill the planet, and make some douchebag rich.

    Edit: mobile typos

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 29 points 4 months ago

    When you tell the people to mash the easy button and then they do exactly what you wanted. They created the monster.

  • source
  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    This is the most profitable consultant in the world, can't they just afford to run a local llm?

  • source
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I heard about a company that was looking at purchasing machines to run local llms for their developers to use.

    If more companies do this, rather than using the massive ai data centers being built…. the RAMpocolypse will get way worse.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    That is the part that pains me to admit - running local LLMs is not a solution to the RAMpocalypse. In that case we'd just have more GPUs and RAM idling for ~90% of the time in someones basement, without being shared. As bad as it sounds, having data centers for AI stuff is actually the more ecological solution. I can't believe I said that. Excuse me, I have to take a shower now *shudder*

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 53 points 4 months ago*

    Did they think everyone was gonna be creating return value based products for the company to make a fortune on?

    Instead they making posters and having crazy convos.

    It’s like someone has just discovered salt and every restaurant has it. Each thinks they are unique and gonna be the GOAT.

  • source
  • [–] 71 points 4 months ago (1 child)
    • Replace workforce with AI because it's easy to be lazy with AI.
    • Remaining workforce uses AI to be lazy.
    • SurprisedPikachu.webp
  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Waiting for hackers to break into companies and not do a ransomware attack. Just run some scripts which innocently do shit like turn PDFs into PowerPoints and chew through those tokens.

  • source
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)
  • load more comments
    view more: next ›
    4 comments in c/usa@lemmy.ml view that post