For so long we have always referred back to Nazi Germany as the last massive fascist and authoritarian takeover, but with America at the gates ready to go full fascist, the Germans must atleast be relieved that in a few years we will be talking about MAGA America instead of Nazi Germany.

W for the Germans I suppose.

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[–] 77 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'm German and terrified. I find it difficult to grasp that the playbook that was used in Nazi Germany is right there to compare, how the whole thing happened has been taught in schools to several generations in a row, there's memorial places to visit - the whole wealth of information is there so it doesn't happen again!!

And here we are, and it is happening again - in what seems an even more overt way than old Adolf ever dared to pull off. They just built a concentration camp in Florida and are loudly bragging about it. People are randomly being kidnapped from the street, based not even on their immigration status but their skin color, by groups of unidentified thugs. All while the media - even international media - still seem to be unable to call "Fascism" to what is happening.

I would have hoped that us being the eternal Nazis would at least have a deterring effect on other people to not fall into the same trap.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think it's partly that people think you can stop fascism with robust political structures and by cracking down hard on fascists. That approach doesn't work, so long as the material conditions that lead to fascism exist it will come about.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    does German media report much about American fascism and (getting my hopes up) Germans calling America out for it?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The majority of German media reports as if Trump was a normal politician doing normal politics stuff. Where I would expect some voices calling out the absolute awfulness of human rights violations being committed and laws disregarded it all sounds like "This is fine! We might not agree, but there is nothing outrageous! He's just a very silly guy who happens to be the president of the USA!" - It is absolutely chilling to not have any larger news outlets getting absolutely alarmed, all is just business as usual. But then it's the same with Israel - "12345678 more children died in the ongoing conflict (we are not going to tell you that they were murdered and who did it)" instead of "Israel commits murder and genocide and needs to be stopped."

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  • I’m gonna guess that most Germans aren’t actually viewing the situation as a zero-sum game. So no, I don’t think the US breaking bad is going to make Germans happier, in general.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Horrified seems more likely

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    They are, Germans today don't fuck around with that, they punish it heavily like the US should have.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    They really don't amd honestly never did. Less people were punished at nuremburg than there were guards at Auschwitz. Many nazis got domestic government positions within years of the Paris Peace treaties and some got greater european positions of power like Chairman of the NATO Military Committee. Not to mention the many Nazis who were taken in by the US including the Butcher of Lyon who got a position with the US intelligence services where he hunted communists and taught torture. These days the AFD with direct nazi ties and explicit fascist ideology is doing great. Germany was never actually de-nazified

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    The Americans DID punish fascism severely. My grandfather stormed the beaches on D-Day. He lost his best friend from grade school. They were barely out of high school.

    As for the Americans of today? I don't consider maga to be American. Just like I don't consider confederates to be Americans.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Unfortunately the AFD in Germany got record aupport in the last election.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    No, I imagine Germans are not happy. I imagine they're as sad as anybody that America failed to learn from Germany's mistakes. Only the extremely selfish and narcissistic would go "hey my country looks better now because another country is committing atrocities"

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Because everything everyone thinks everywhere is always about america...

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    As a german i can tell you. Nope.

    Shit is going down here too. And a big part of german culture is not being happy.

    Political we have a chancler who worked for blackrock is opportunistic (in a bad way) and snuggles with the AfD. He leads a cabinet of corrupt dynastic politicians.

    The nazis of the AfD, despite them seemingly breaking right now, is still growing and wont be banned it seems...

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Are you seriously downplaying the Holocaust and world war 2?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    America also supplying the bombs for Israel to genocide Palestinians

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    I think Putin and Netanyahu are a lot further along on this path. We will be spoiled for choice of places to refer back to.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Israel has actual protests against the government ongoing. It’s not clear if Netanyahu will manage to win the next election.

    There are no protests in Russia at all and elections are a farce.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    At least he'll be out in three and a half years

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm not holding my breath on that, given how nobody is holding him accountable for shit and being allowed to do whatever the fuck he wants; the rule of law be damned.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    He may be not out, and he also may be replaced by someone even worse, as difficult as that may be to imagine now.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Doesn't America not have a rule where they can only serve two terms? Does this count as his second? or is it only for consecutive terms?

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Germany support the new nazim which is zionism

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