I'm mainly interested in how clean it gets the dishes, and how reliable it is. I also don't need or want any kind of internet-connected features.

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Really, because I have a Bosch and I had to install the app and then use HACS to install an integration which goes through their cloud.

I don’t use that for anything more than alerts but it’s annoying it has zero local control. This is a perfect use case for Zigbee or Z-Wave and if I’m paying a premium I don’t get why I wouldn’t get premium features.

Also some features are app only (special dry modes etc) so if I want the functionality I paid for I have to be signed up for their cloud.

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