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Protestation (lemmy.ml)
submitted 1 year ago by [B] to c/communism@lemmy.ml
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[–] 8 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

You don't create Communism by pressing the "Communism button," though, that's the entire point of Scientific Socialism as created by Marx and Engels. You achieve it through development, under a State controlled by the Proletariat. The PRC's economy is already Socialist, the large firms and key industries are firmly public and the medium firms are heavily controlled, as long as it keeps developing and stays the course it will continue to develop as a Socialist country will.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Holy moly im being sarcastic mate. Yes it is a historical process, but i believe what is happening in china is closer to state capitalism than socialism..i would even say it leans a certain flavor of corpratism ie fascism. The socialism sticker on the front is meaningless to me. You are still upholding the bourgeoisie and capitalist social relations including imperialism ie weatlth extraction abroad meanwhile suppressing labor at home.. I definitely would not call it proletarian rule by any means. Add on to that the strong nationalist fervor, and well ya man i dunno what to tell you. I guess everything is socialism since we are all a part of the historical process towards communism.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    The "Socialism Sticker" is having a Socialist economy, where the overwhelming majority of the large firms and key industries are publicly owned and planned, and Capital movement is heavily restricted if not approved by the CPC. They do not "uphold the bourgeoisie" or "Capitalist social relations," they are gradually dismantling them as Marx said they should be, by gradually wresting Capital from them as public ownership becomes economically required for further advancement, all under a Proletarian State. There is no other way to abolish the bourgeoisie than by erasing their economic foundations:

    The essential condition for the existence, and for the sway of the bourgeois class, is the formation and augmentation of capital; the condition for capital is wage-labour. Wage-labour rests exclusively on competition between the labourers. The advance of industry, whose involuntary promoter is the bourgeoisie, replaces the isolation of the labourers, due to competition, by their revolutionary combination, due to association. The development of Modern Industry, therefore, cuts from under its feet the very foundation on which the bourgeoisie produces and appropriates products. What the bourgeoisie, therefore, produces, above all, are its own grave-diggers. Its fall and the victory of the proletariat are equally inevitable.

    China is still a developing country, it can't just whisk away all elements of commodity production, especially not in the context of a Capitalist-dominated global economy which it needs to interact with in order to supplant, such as by building up the Global South through multilateral infrastructure deals (such as BRI).

    And no, China is not Imperialist, and it isn't suppressing labor at home. This is just vague gesturing, hard analysis finds that neither of these assertions hold water. To further jump and call the PRC fascist is ludicrous, and indicates an utter lack of understanding of Socialism and fascism in general, fascism is a bourgeois society exerting its Capitalist strength to crush worker organizations, not a Socialist state that eliminates extreme poverty, combats desertification, pushes for multilateralism and decolonization, and has a majority publicly owned economy.

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