Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) said Rep. Haley Stevens (D-Mich.) has “been with the Republicans” since Congress returned, after the Michigan Democrat endorsed former Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.) in the midterms.

“She’s been with the Republicans ever since she’s come back. So she’s been on the Republican side of the aisle,” Ocasio-Cortez said during an appearance on “The Don Lemon Show” that aired Thursday.

“This is just the epitome of a certain kind of transactional politics,” she added. “And it’s really sad.”

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[+] -19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (32 children)

Your mistake is that you believe there are only “two sides”

While the MAGA Nazis may walk in lockstep with Adolf Trump’s ‘vision', the rest of us have comes from a diverse group with a myriad of our own interests. and our greatest weakness? Our inability to work together to accomplish our collective goals.

Far greater than the Republicans, that is our greatest enemy we must overcome: our inability to work with our own allies to accomplish our collective goals. Democrats never fight any enemy harder than their own allies. That stupid and it must end immediately.

Edit: oh, you all CAN work together, apparently. Too bad it’s in service of the Nazis rather than trying to defeat them…

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  • [–] 1 point 16 hours ago (23 children)

    Okay, now define what you actually want to do. Because if all you want to do is shut him up or impeach him without any reforms to the systems that allowed him to actually gain power then we don't really have much to actually talk about. If you do have suggestions for economic, media, governmental, and even religious reforms then we do have something to talk about.

    Fact of the matter is the circumstances that have lead to Trump are not isolate and if you want to not only defeat the person but also the ideology you must rip it apart at the roots.

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  • [–] -3 points 15 hours ago (22 children)

    What I want to do? Gee, I didn’t know I suddenly got elected to the office.

    Lol

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  • [–] -1 points 11 hours ago (11 children)

    I was trying to illistrate a point about how even if folks may technically agree that something is an issue they may or may not agree on how to solve said issue via dialog with you, mostly cause you were so quick to decry the active political friction that makes action rough at best. Which is to say I was trying to use a rhetorical strategy to make a point, which funnily enough your non answer illustrated quite well.

    While it may seem silly such dialogs amongst laymen is useful. Also I may have listened to some Socratic dialogues early and my brain is currently in a very argument happy state right now and will probably be that way for the next couple days, don't know if that's better that the depressive state I got into after reading Of mice and men.

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  • [–] -2 points 11 hours ago (10 children)

    Oh, right, you were just trying to have a “dialogue“.

    lol

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  • [–] 1 point 10 hours ago (9 children)

    Aye, that I was. I like arguing and a dialogue is simply are an argument where I don't start throwing profanities around like a fish hawker.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 hours ago* (8 children)

    The rest of us just call that sort of adversarial, bad-faith bullshit “trolling”

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  • [–] 1 point 8 hours ago (3 children)

    If you think dialogue is the same thing as adversarial bad-faith trolling, then you might be the troll...

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  • [–] 0 points 51 minutes ago (1 child)

    Really? I know what a straw man is. Let's look at the comment chain

    Aye, that I was. I like arguing and a dialogue is simply are an argument where I don't start throwing profanities around like a fish hawker.

    The rest of us just call that sort of adversarial, bad-faith bullshit “trolling”

    If you think dialogue is the same thing as adversarial bad-faith trolling, then you might be the troll...

    Yeah no, that's pretty definitively the user was calling dialogue "trolling," which is exactly what I called them out on. In other words, not a straw man.

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  • [–] -2 points 8 hours ago (9 children)

    Since when do you need to be elected to office before you can express an opinion for the direction you think the country should go?

    If holding political office was about doing what the elected representatives want, and not what's best for their constituents, then what we have wouldn't be a representative democracy. It would be an oligarchy.

    Comments like yours sound like pro-oligarchy.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 hours ago* (8 children)

    Gee, it sure seems easy to win an argument when you make your own rules.

    Ignore what I said, pretend I said something else, and then hold it against me.

    Is this how you deal with every troublesome situation? You just pretend something else happened that you can get yourself out of rather than deal with what really occurred?

    See, this is what I mean by bad faith trolling. Come back with something rational or don’t come back at all.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 hours ago (7 children)

    When did I make up any rules?

    This is what you said:

    What I want to do? Gee, I didn’t know I suddenly got elected to the office.

    That seems to directly imply that you believe someone needs to be elected to office before they can talk about what they think should happen politically.

    So what I said wasn't a strawman. It was a response directly to the content of what you said.

    Is this how you deal with every troublesome situation? You just pretend something else happened that you can get yourself out of rather than deal with what really occurred?

    This whole paragraph seems like projection because that describes pretty well what you're doing in multiple places in this thread. Just accusing people and being combative and antagonistic towards any semblance of dialogue.

    See, this is what I mean by bad faith trolling. Come back with something rational or don’t come back at all.

    It's like you're parodying logic. Is the obvious role reversal part of a joke that I'm not catching, or are you seriously this self-unaware?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 hours ago (6 children)

    Lol, that’s a lot of words for, “I can’t accept a responsibility for my actions, so I’m just gonna blame you instead“

    And it’s still a stupid argument.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 hours ago (5 children)

    Bro you're the one being disingenuous.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

    “No u!” Isn’t a very convincing argument.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

    Do you keep that comeback in your back pocket to fling around anytime someone calls you out on your projection?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 hour ago* (2 children)

    Like how every comment you make is blaming me for things you did? Or just something you made up?

    It’s been well over six hours, and you still can’t get over some grievance you imagined and then blamed me far. Don’t you have anything better to do?

    I’m going to enjoy knowing that you’re gonna keep throwing your piss baby tantrums over something you 100% manufactured from your own imagination.

    I’m also going to enjoy watching you torture yourself with that bullshit until you finally learn the lesson to just drop it and move on.

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  • [–] 0 points 59 minutes ago (1 child)

    Like how every comment you make is blaming me for things you did?

    Point to a single time I did that.

    Or just something you made up?

    What? I pointed out exactly where you said the thing that I criticized you for. It seems you just can't handle critique, so no wonder you're so anti-dialogue.

    It’s been well over six hours, and you still can’t get over some grievance you imagined and then blamed me far. Don’t you have anything better to do?

    I'm literally only responding because you're still responding. It's not like I sat around all day waiting to hear back from you.

    And what grievance? I critiqued your argument. Respond rationally, or get over it. What you're doing is being disingenuous.

    I’m going to enjoy knowing that you’re gonna keep throwing your piss baby tantrums over something you 100% manufactured from your own imagination.

    Again, that is 100% projection.

    I’m also going to enjoy watching you torture yourself with that bullshit until you finally learn the lesson to just drop it and move on.

    Again, that is 100% projection.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 hours ago* (2 children)

    This place sucks for political discussion. We finally have a substantial Dem majority and all these people want to do is whine and complain about it instead of finding common ground with the huge number of moderate Dems we just elected.

    Lemmy is 90% basement dwellers who have lost touch with reality at this point. If you suggest any kind of realism, or god forbid optimism, they'll lay you out for it.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 hours ago

    We have a substantial majority and that's reason to be optimistic, yes.

    But it's not reason to become complacent and cater to milquetoast centrism that only intends to appease the fascists while placating the masses and delivering nothing substantial.

    We have a majority. We need to use it to deliver results with benefits people can feel, otherwise we won't keep it, and we'll backslide back into republican majorities again where they can continue furthering their destructive agenda.

    These cycles have been going on as long as I've been alive. It's time to break that cycle. We need change, and we need it now, and if we don't succeed in that, not only is democracy as we know it going to die, but also society and the planet itself are going to die with it.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 hours ago

    The fediverse largely has no understanding whatsoever of US civics. It's fucking ridiculous what idiots here think about how the government functions. Most of them just want the US to collapse not realizing there's a good chance they or someone they care about dies when that happens. Cuz it won't happen quiet like. It'll take down everything it can with it.

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