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[โ€“] 61 points 21 hours ago (68 children)

Is the hypothesis that people in those two OS's have no clue about other OS's and the one thats looks like a fruit have a superiority complex?

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  • [โ€“] 180 points 21 hours ago (17 children)

    Linux users are particularly notorious for not having superiority complex.

    I use Arch btw

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

    Your illness is rooted deep into your consciousness. "su" is "switch user" by the way...

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  • [โ€“] 29 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

    Hate to be that guy, but it's akshually substitute user

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

    psh everyone uses arch nowadays the steam deck is huge! Now if you used nix OS that would be impressive!

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

    Nix is just so normie. Why don't better use Gentoo? That's what an actual nerd with no social life does!!!1!1

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  • [โ€“] 55 points 20 hours ago (24 children)

    i think the hypothesis is that windows kids have general tech literacy and problem solving skills and OSX kids dont. and linux users are autustic ;-]

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  • [โ€“] 41 points 20 hours ago (8 children)

    A lot of apple's design philosophy hides the technical detail, to try and create a friction-free user experience. Android does the same thing, but apple were doing it earlier and on desktop devices to some extent. Windows back in the day was significantly more transparent, although I don't know if I can say the same for modern windows

    That's well and good for some things, but the concern that it reduces the natural tendency to become highly tech literate is genuine.

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  • [โ€“] 11 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

    add to that that for some time in history it was quite common to build your own pc (something that abviously went away with rise of laptops), which required whole other level of understanding.

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  • This has been my experience and have anecdotal evidence of people who can use a Mac but don't understand any of it. One customer we had problems with until we just cut it off was that she'd have issues with her Mac and couldn't navigate it effectively to try troubleshooting. She didn't understand how to install on it so we could run remote management software.

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 19 hours ago

    your car's main control unit may also be based on bsd (i have no idea whether that is in fact the case) but surprisingly most people would not call themselves experts on car electronic just because they drive a car.

    while a lot of people considers themselves to be "it experts" just because they were raised by youtube instead of their parents since the age of 2.

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 17 hours ago

    My school system used macs before OSX and switched to Windows almost entirely when OS 9 was still the latest thing. Sounds like another user had the same experience. OS 9 was nothing like unix and had no terminal even, to my knowledge.

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  • [โ€“] 10 points 18 hours ago (9 children)

    The most powerful things windows can do are gui based and the most powerful things macos can do are in the cli

    Not saying everyone bothers going that deep but there is a reason most software engineers and other professionals would prefer mac over windows

    Windows is an inconsistent mess and their terminal tools are afterthoughts

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  • [โ€“] 10 points 16 hours ago* (7 children)

    I don't know if that's accurate. Have you seen PowerShell? It's so good, some people install it on Linux to use as their main shell

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

    No he is sorta right, powershell is actually kinda fire.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 6 hours ago

    This is incorrect. And the GNU tools would be much better if they were object-oriented like PS is. No I don't have PS on my personal machines (Cachy btw) but that's genuinely a super great feature. It's an idea who's time has come (ages ago)

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  • [โ€“] 21 points 20 hours ago (20 children)

    I think one of the reasons is that MacOS didn't really have any games back then, so there was no reason for a kid to be glued to their computer. And if you use something for a long time, you collect problems and ways to solve them, getting the experience and some technical knowledge along the way.

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  • [โ€“] 12 points 18 hours ago (8 children)

    Huh? Mac had the better games!

    That's a wild claim.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 15 hours ago

    Mac had heaps of games in the 80s and 90s. Then from the 90s to the 2010s, it was WINDOWS TIME for games, with some being ported to OSX and Linux or run with compatibility software. Now itโ€™s Windows/Linux hardcore and still only small or modest Mac support.

    Mac did have a ton of fun games back then, though! I didnโ€™t get a Mac of my own until Intel Core Macs came out, but I loved the Macs I used at my friendsโ€™ houses and school.

    I went through an edgy โ€œApple is worst computersโ€ phase in the 2000s, but I grew to like the hardware and OS after I picked one up to install Windows on to bring to LAN parties (all non-Mac laptops that could play games fuckin suuuuuucked back then and I was never at home.)

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 17 hours ago

    I don't know about better, but the Mac games I had in elementary school were awesome for kids that age. Oregon trail and number munchers. I don't think pc gaming had really taken off much at all then. That was years before doom, even.

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  • [โ€“] 10 points 17 hours ago (7 children)

    Number munchers and Oregon trail have entered the chat. Also the dozen other games on floppy disks (that my middle age mind cannot remember now) that we played on our Apple IIe's.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

    My mom worked at Software Etc in the 80's.

    There were so many more, and better games, for PCs.

    The only good games on Mac were ones ported from PC.

    I was my mother's official "troubleshooter". If a customer returned a game, she gave it to me, to test.

    There were definitely a lot more PC games returned than Mac, but there was almost never anything wrong with them. Probably came down to individual setups.

    Which was Mac's strong point. There was no real diversity in hardware, so everything worked.

    But all the Mac games SUCKED compared to PC.

    Unfortunately, this was also when I was exposed to Ultima IV... and my homework never saw me again.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

    I'm not so sure but I think back THEN there were less captivating PC games as well. My perspective is from the early 00s Russia, when you had to deal with pirated games, unbelievably slow Internet, funny videos shared between friends on CDs, going with a hard drive to a friend's house just to share your music collection, etc. Basically, we had to know how to do this kind of stuff because the alternative was so expensive. Now with LLMs you don't even have to "google" anymore, so there's no need to know, for example, what a file extension is.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

    Interesting perspective. I was in the rural US and my experience was probably closer to yours than you might think. 33-48kbps modems were insanely slow, even back then. Between that and my parents banning the Internet in the house, most everything I got my hands on was pirated, and either painstakingly (secretly) downloaded over midnight hours on the unreliable modem or from a floppy disk or burned CD from a friend! This was circa 1997-2001 until I moved out and got a usable Internet connection.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

    It will depend on the age, but using Windows used to require some tech literacy. As far as I'm aware, Apple has always tried to avoid this need, which also prevents learning it. Modern Windows isn't much different than modern Mac though. I'm assuming kids on Windows today aren't much better than kids on Mac.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 13 hours ago (1 child)

    Controversial opinion but the system working well doesnโ€™t prevent learning about itโ€”if the user wants to. Like Apple computers are still computers, theyโ€™ve always had development tools. You could always study it under the hood and learn.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 13 hours ago

    I don't think that's controversial. However, there's two ways people will be encouraged to learn about it. Either the system invites you to tinker, or it doesn't function how you want and requires you to tinker. Apple, in all of their products, mostly does neither. It functions fine, and it is opinionated about how it functions and doesn't invite you to change it.

    Sure, there will be curious people who, no matter what, tinker. They don't need to be encouraged. The OP isn't really trying to measure them. They'll be the baseline where there is no measurable difference. The average user is what we want to understand. The average user on Mac isn't expected to understand anything about the system. It just works. Both Windows (historically) and Linux do some amount of inviting you to tinker, and also requiring you to (depending on distro for Linux this may not actually be required). Windows has increasingly locked things down though, and also revert any changes on update more and more frequently.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 14 hours ago

    Yeah, MacOS hold the users hand way too hard, in a way that is insulting in my opinion.

    Iโ€™m assuming kids on Windows today arenโ€™t much better than kids on Mac.

    Totally right, I have seen it in person.

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