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Putin too, for some reason (lemmy.world)
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[–] 4 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

And violence against innocents would be punished like in any society.

I think this is the part I get hung up on. The way this has historically been handled is lynchings. The town thinks you murdered those kids? They lynch you. The town drunk says he saw you doing devil worship? Lynched. You piss off someone with more social capital than you? Another lynching.

While I agree that this is self-ordering in some sense, I don't find it to be morally acceptable. Justice requires systematics that anarchy simply can't provide. And while no justice system is perfect, I think we can all agree that going back to lynchings is probably not the right direction.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 hours ago* (1 child)

    I don't think lynchings have been the only way human groups have dealt with crimes against innocents though, historically or presently.

    And most of what you are talking about is behavior under capitalist or feudalist systems.

    And most crime under those systems is born out of poverty.

    I have not heard of the Zapatista's engaging in routine lynchings for example. The biggest threats to them have not been irrational lynch parties inside their society, it had been the capitalist forces outside of it trying to violently conquer them.

    And again, I am not an anarchist, so I feel weird trying to speak too deeply past my own understanding of their positions or things I have some crossover beliefs in as well.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 hours ago

    It's worth noting that the Zapatistas aren't an anarchist group and make no claim to being one. They do have a non-centralized leadership structure of elders who enforce a "restorative justice" system that forces people who perpetrate crimes to do community service. This does require a form of tribunal that local leaders manage.

    But, to be clear, all this requires hierarchy, authority, and coercion in ways that most anarchists would reject. Which is the core of the issue.

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