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[–] 8 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

I mean, that's not true though. If the Democrats had seen a sizable percentage of their voting base swinging left anytime in the last 30 years, then they wouldn't have been so quick to try the failed strategy of courting centrist Republicans. The lie they feed you every time is that you have to suck it up and vote for the lesser evil 'just this once' and it works because their voting base is self-policing. But if enough of you had said 'no that's enough of this bullshit' decades ago, the world would be a very different place. It can't keep being 'just this once' every single election.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    If the Democrats had seen a sizable percentage of their voting base swinging left anytime in the last 30 years, then they wouldn’t have been so quick to try the failed strategy of courting centrist Republicans.

    I'm a third-party voter, and Democratic party hater, but I'm not sure this is true. The Democrats have repeatedly shown that they would rather let the Republicans take control, than let Leftists have a shot.

    I agree with the rest of what you said though

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  • [–] 5 points 5 hours ago

    I think even if that is the case, that is useful. If a party is so willing to shoot themselves in the foot that they refuse to win elections because they don't want to cater to their constituents, something else will rise in that power vacuum.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    It’s not a lie they feed me. It just the system they built. Everyone knows it and short of violent revolution, it requires dismantling from the inside.

    And we’ve all tried sitting out or voting third party. That’s given us the even worse outcomes.

    But establishment dems don’t even get on the ballot if they’re primaried.

    I’m not really into accelerationist rhetoric.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 hours ago

    When has a sizable portion of the Democrat base ever sat out or voted third party? Sure, individuals may have tried once or twice, but the point is that it needs to be a sustained effort that's not being actively discouraged by the rest of the voters. By calling them Russian trolls or bots or idiots or whatever else. I think it's way more idiotic to keep doing the same thing over and over, keep watching the party shift further and further right, and keep saying "theres no other choice! Game theory! It's functionally a two party system! Not voting for Democrats is the same as voting Republican!". That's such a short-sighted point of view, and only works if you look at each election in isolation, not on a long enough timescale. If you're not willing to do it for yourself, maybe do it for the voters 3 decades from now.

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