“Jeffries didn’t even whip the vote,” one critic said about the House minority leader, who wants to be speaker. “This is why people want a stronger leader.”

As House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries seeks to become speaker when Democrats retake Congress in January, critics questioned his leadership Tuesday after the Republican-led lower chamber effectively blocked a bid to impeach Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth by just seven votes—an outcome that may have been averted if more Democrats showed up to vote.

The 211-204 procedural vote effectively torpedoed Congressman Thomas Massie’s attempt to impeach Hegseth by sending the outgoing Kentucky Republican’s resolution to the House Judiciary Committee, where it will likely gather dust during the remainder of the GOP-controlled congressional term.

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[–] 20 points 1 day ago (16 children)

Reposting this comment here, as I've said it in a similar post... Also, this is NOT THE NEW CONGRESS UNTIL JAN 3

Maybe some of you don't realize this, but while I don't like the Dem party, this is clearly news bait to drive a wedge in the left.

The vote wasn't whether or not to impeach, it was whether or not to move the impeachment to committee.

It was also called short, before Dems that COULD'VE been present could arrive.

The GOP loves playing games, this is them playing games and you're falling for it.

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  • [–] 14 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

    This isn’t driving a wedge on the left because Jefferies is not on the left.

    It’s entirely possible that with the GOP control of the voting and procedures, there was no way that we could get a different outcome. If the dems had their shit together and were all present, then the vote would have been delayed until the GOP were all present.

    That said, Jeffries is still doing a piss poor job at the politics. He acts like he 100% has the speaker role and there is no way it is in jeopardy and he gives zero fucks what any of the voters think about it.

    He could have pushed everone to do maximum effort and be available any time when a vote could potentially be called - not because it can change the outcome - but because it would signal to the voters that the house is on the job and takes the people’s concerns seriously.

    He could have crafted a statement about how the GOP would only close the vote when they were ahead so this was an un-winnable fight (more tricky and messy than the 1st option but maybe chaining them all to their desks is too hard?).

    He’s had a series on unforced errors like saying very directly, the day after the election, that he doesn’t support medicare for all and doesn’t think impeaching the president should be a priority. There may be valid stratigic reasons for those stances, but saying it like that is just a fuck you to at least a third of the Democratic voters (actually, probably more like 2/3 for M4A)

    In short, the party is divided and he is to the right of the majority on some key issues (M4A). An effective leader for 2027 needs to be able to keep the party together, not by bullying incoming members, but by managing public opinion and delivering on the items that the voters largely support.

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  • [–] 10 points 23 hours ago* (2 children)

    but saying it like that is just a fuck you to at least a third of the Democratic voters (actually, probably more like 2/3 for M4A)

    And I bet the percentage of Democratic voters who'd disagree about impeachment of Trump being a priority is north of 90%.

    Whether it's actually feasible without a supermajority ... who knows. Probably not. But not being willing to call it a priority is also a big 'fuck you' to the vast majority of Democratic voters.

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  • [–] 1 point 22 hours ago

    Your diatribe is exactly my point. I'm not onboard for Jeffries. I emailed my future Blue rep asking her to oust him from leadership. But sadly, we have to work with corpo dems to get anything done until they are all gone.

    My point is these types of articles fit in with the GOP strategy, to cause rifts in the "left"

    Quotes on "left" because of pedants, who keep yelling at me that there is no "left" in the USA.

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  • [–] 10 points 23 hours ago* (1 child)

    And yet Jeffries is minority leader Now. Today. He doesnt need to wait until Jan 3 to do his effing job in this vote, did he. And he didnt do it. The one "playing games" here is you.

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  • [–] 8 points 23 hours ago

    I don't like Jeffries. I've emailed my FUTURE BLUE REP asking her to make sure he doesn't maintain his leadership position.

    My comment wasn't about Jeffries, it is about the 20 articles all decrying the Dems on a GOP stunt.

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  • [–] 1 point 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (8 children)

    Edit: this became a distracted rant somewhere along the line, so please feel free to disregard.

    The GOP loves playing games, this is them playing games and you're falling for it.

    The whole thing is a spectacle. One side plays the comical baddy which some people turn to in ineffectual anger, allowing this anger to be dissipated against the usual scapegoats of the state (in short, minorities of any kind), and so not allowing it to congeal into any kind of threat to power.

    Meanwhile the other side plays to fear around the comical baddy (who does do real harm, using exactly the same tools that they themselves dutifully maintain, and not infrequently use); to the point of effectively platforming some of the worst of them; as they flounder around realising they can't offer anything but austerity and token gestures (most often repealing offenses against the population carried out in legal form, see slavery, segregation, gender rights, the list goes on) without stepping on the toes of power.

    Realistically, the past both sides of this are yearning for is one that worked in a period of prodigious exploitation of new avenues and expansion of old ones as they related to the new (or growth, if you prefer).

    This is no longer the case as the appearance of anything that has the momentum to keep the whole mass of debt moving becomes a rarer and rarer event, LLMs are/were the next big thing that was being banked on to keep it all going for the next decade or two, but even if that pays off the same crisis is looming down the road.

    Neither 'side' has a satisfactory solution to this problem as their power all acts through the same levers, hence the recurring patterns absolutely everywhere. Insofar as I can see, the answer has to come from us seizing back power to dissipate its concentrations throughout us as a whole, or these things are going to keep happening.

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  • [–] 2 points 22 hours ago (7 children)

    Totally agree.

    Unless someone wants to organize a revolution, "progressivising" (made that up, there's probably a real word I could have used) the Dems is our best option IMO.

    Blue Wave today. Progressive wave 2028.

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  • [–] 4 points 21 hours ago (6 children)

    Best option for what exactly? The ends are completely different there, progressive wave or not, if you leave the fundamental structures and power relations intact we end up back here. The best we can expect are calls to alter some relatively superficial aspects that get quickly moderated once in power, as ever before.

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  • [–] 0 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (5 children)

    To change the system. People write laws, so put people that care in place, and have them enact better laws.

    Like I said, unless you're starting a revolution...

    Edit: fixed a typo

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  • [–] 3 points 19 hours ago* (4 children)

    That is not how systems work, there are myriad problems that stem directly from the hierarchy of ruler and ruled (whether they nominally represent you or not, the reality is that their lived experience isolates them from you and your lived experience), and they require that dynamic to persist in order to enact their will no matter how benevolent the current rulers might be.

    The whole arrangement relies upon always having incorruptible, benevolent and competent people in charge, and even then there are material realities such as market crashes that will derail things, the idea is a caricature of instability.

    I am starting a revolution in a sense, I have been for a long time, it just isn't focused on some quick and easy (for presumed onlookers such as yourself, at least) miracle event that fixes everything, because in reality to beat structures you have to build your own- in this particular case one fundamentally built upon mutual aid is what we aspire to.

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  • [–] 2 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

    You write a lot for someone who seems intent on insult and argument.

    I don't come here to read essays even though I've read yours.

    I hope this has been helpful to you. My intent was to highlight that these articles play into GOP startegies. That is all.

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  • [–] 3 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

    I suppose all of these conversations blend into one after a point in some regards, that isn't your fault so sorry for being so ranty.

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  • [–] 3 points 19 hours ago (1 child)

    I appreciate everything you've said, and don't really disagree on the overall intent. I'm working on my community to build up a level of support as well.

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  • [–] 3 points 18 hours ago

    I just find it frustrating, everyone argues about the fluff and the system grinds on unabated. I am far from alone in shouting about this, for centuries now, and the predictions always seem to come true anyway...

    Where you direct that support matters, if you send it above yourself just please be conscious that you are ceding that power to someone who can hold it above and use it against you, unless you have some mechanism to retract it (maybe instantly recallable representatives, for example).

    I don't know, I may be preaching to the choir here, and I am not meaning to be condescending nor (incidentally) proselytise or anything, people need to come to their own conclusions.

    Either way, good luck and I hope that it all works out, I suspect this ride still has a way to go.

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