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[–] 2 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Maybe some of you don't realize this, but while I don't like the Dem party, this is clearly news bait to drive a wedge in the left.

The vote wasn't whether or not to impeach, it was whether or not to move the impeachment to committee.

It was also called short, before Dems that COULD'VE been present could arrive.

The GOP loves playing games, this is them playing games and you're falling for it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago (8 children)

    The only wedge this drives though is with the vast masses against the corporatist zionist wing of the party....which IMO is the energy people need to keep up.

    I don't know of any meaningful constituency of voters that is out there angry that people are getting mad at Hailey Stevens for making her dreams of Israel come true and up and leaving, or Nancy Pelosi ironically skipping the vote to end an illegal and unjust war to get a lifetime achievement award from a veterans organization.

    If I missed a crucial meeting at my work that was pivotal for positioning the future of the company, I would expect to reprimanded far more consequentially than some mean words.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 day ago (7 children)

    Sadly, progressives will have to work with corpo dems to make anything happen. At least it's possible to sway them...

    It's not possible to sway the Repubs in Congress for the most part.

    I'm sorry we don't live in an ideal world but these type of news articles produce apathy, which is the enemy of progress.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    And the way you change that overton window and shift those pressures leftward is thru sustained outside pressure

    Corporate Dems have no real incentive to betray their actual constituents, donors, especially when their former main lovers(tech oligarchs and Israel) are sending all the signals their pocketbooks will open back up for them if they play nice, and if voters as a whole just go back to brunch, guess who easily wins that influence battle?

    So while there is a type of corporate media propaganda that I think undermines the left, this is one of those rare instances I think this sort of coverage is actually helping. As it is keeping focus on who the villains inside the tent are and that they can't be trusted(which they can't). And right now they are banking on people going quiet and falling in line so they can maneuver behind the scenes and preserve their power and the status quo dynamic.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Ah yes, the good ol' Centrist war cry of "But Repbulicans are mean so let's not try at all!".

    Maybe stop being a coward always worrying about what Republicans will do and worry about what Democrats should do.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

    I've said nothing to do with whatever you are arguing about.

    Your anger at me is my point exactly

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 day ago (2 children)

    I read your second line as the indicating why centrists would be not passing things progressives would be proposing.

    If that's not what your intent was then I do apologize.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    Oh no, I wasn't trying to be an apologist for Democrats, sorry for making that unclear. My point was we have to work with this trash (Corpo Dems ™️ ) because the other trash (GOP) is probably going to be a stonewall. In response to where the "wedge" is in Nola's reply.

    They all need to be held accountable.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Definitely wasn't called short, I watched it happen. It was a 5 minute vote, the vote was known about the day before, and even after the 5 minutes was up they still let people vote.

    If all the GOP and all the Dems voted, then the Dems would have failed by 2 votes. But 7 GOP didn't vote while 11 Dems didn't vote. Dems could have struck down the effort to send the impeachment to committee, but they couldn't even bother to show up for work.

    I don't give a shit what excuses they had, I don't get to make excuses to miss work during critical moments, why the fuck should our overpaid reps get different treatment? Especially when all I'm doing most of the time is enshittifying a website for some corpo shmuck, meanwhile these fucking people are supposed to be running our country!!!

    This is just another example of why DSA and progressives built up so much momentum in the midterms. The neolib establishment dems are utterly useless in the face of real progress.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    Pasting my comment from a similar reply...

    Your diatribe is exactly my point. I'm not onboard for Jeffries. I emailed my future Blue rep asking her to oust him from leadership. But sadly, we have to work with corpo dems to get anything done until they are all gone.

    My point is these types of articles fit in with the GOP strategy, to cause rifts in the "left"

    Quotes on "left" because of pedants, who keep yelling at me that there is no "left" in the USA.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago

    Maybe some of you don’t realize this, but while I don’t like the Dem party, this is clearly news bait to drive a wedge in the left.

    I want to hope that all the accounts "falling for it" aren't actually that dense, but the only argument for that is they're constantly shitting on the only other option to facial and never trying to approve it.

    And well, thats just as easily an argument for them legitimately not understanding any of this too

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