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[–] 4 points 22 hours ago (12 children)

That's 15 seconds too long. You're not entitled to annoy people just because they'll be able to leave soon.

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  • [–] 4 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

    I think blanket ruling that "trying openers" is "annoying people" is invalid. Yeah, it might be annoying most of the time, but so are a lot of interactions. If you follow that road you'd end up with anyone who talks to someone ever deserving to die in a fire which I think is unreasonable.

    If the worst thing that happens because you shoot your shot is you annoy someone for 15 seconds, then whatever. Take no for an answer is all I ask.

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  • [–] 0 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

    Yeah, it might be annoying most of the time, but so are a lot of interactions.

    If those interactions are unnecessary then they shouldn't happen either. Leave people the fuck alone.

    If you follow that road you’d end up with anyone who talks to someone ever deserving to die in a fire which I think is unreasonable.

    I never said anything about anyone deserving to die in a fire.

    The whole mindset of even thinking about an "opener" or "shooting your shot" is creepy and entitled as fuck. Just be fucking normal, enter the elevator and say hi, then stfu and mind your business unless they give some indication that they're interested in conversing with you. You're not entitled to anyone's attention and you don't have a shot unless they offer you one.

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  • [–] 2 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

    Leave people the fuck alone.

    I do because I'm shy. But I think it's insane to go around wanting to police talking to strangers when in public. That's part of what it means to be in public. Someone might talk to you. The horror.

    You’re not entitled to anyone’s attention and you don’t have a shot unless they offer you one.

    Shooting your shot is how you offer someone their shot. Interactions - which, even with strangers, are a normal part of the human experience - don't happen unless someone goes first. If the other person ignores you, says they're not interested, or indicates a lack of interest with a non-committal response, that's when politeness dictates you shut up.

    I never said anything about anyone deserving to die in a fire.

    No, but you joined the discussion on the same side as someone who did, and never distanced yourself from that statement until now.

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  • [–] 1 point 12 hours ago (1 child)

    which, even with strangers, are a normal part of the human experience - don’t happen unless someone goes first.

    Yeah, which why you have to read the fucking room. If you get in an elevator and they don't greet or otherwise make it apparent that they're open to conversation, you do not have a shot to take and they don't want one with you. Leave them alone. They're not in public to be fucking bothered, they're there to meet friends, or partake in some service or event. If you're not part of those things then you're not invited.

    No, but you joined the discussion on the same side as someone who did, and never distanced yourself from that statement until now.

    Fuck off, I wasn't taking anyone's side, I was calling out your bullshit about someone being trapped in an elevator with you entitling you to their attention.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 hours ago

    You keep saying "entitled to someone's attention" but talking to someone doesn't require any special entitlement or even attention. They can ignore you.

    This is the first you've said about reading the room, too, so it sounds like you don't actually have an objection to deploying an "opener" - you're just assuming it's being done without exchanging a smile or something first.

    And don't get pissy because you pushed back against someone pushing back against something, didn't actually agree with the something, didn't make that clear, and then were assumed to agree with it. If you leap to someone's defence but don't agree with half their comment you can just say that and it helps everyone.

    I don't think there's anything else to gain in this conversation.

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  • [–] 2 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

    That's a faulty arguments, people are also not entitled to not be annoyed by the mere existence of others choosing to live their lives in a way that doesn't actually hurt anyone.

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  • [–] 1 point 17 hours ago (2 children)

    Your existence doesn’t annoy me, your insistence upon my attention does.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

    That's why I ignore people I don't want to give my attention to, works like a dream. Earbuds and sunglasses are like social PPE if you want them to be, maybe give that a shot if you can't handle day-to-day human interactions.

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  • [–] -2 points 21 hours ago (1 child)

    So if I scream in your face for the duration of the ride on an elevator that's perfectly fine because I'm not actually physically hurting you?

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  • [–] 0 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

    It doesn't make you look very sane, but as long as you don't have any communicative respiratory diseases, yeah it's whatever. If it meets any legal definitions of harassment or abuse, then sure, I'd be legally entitled to press charges if I so choose. But if it's a one-off...idk, plenty of mentally ill people yell gibberish at random people in public places every day, you're just one more.

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