Today has been especially bad, and was inspired sadly by about 6 straight posts of only negativity here.

I want to say that being negative towards something is not a bad thing, it's very valid to critique things. However, a community becomes toxic when the majority of it's content is negative.

Gaming is an obvious one. It's very obvious all around the internet that gaming communities are negative generally, and Lemmy certainly takes the cake. In the case of GTA 6 coming out this month we can (and have) had multiple stories about Rockstar's unethical practices, the pricing, ownership, and to be clear I agree with all of it. However, there is also valid positive things that people want to discuss but are immediately downvoted to hell, or have comments brigaded on with responses like "Don't you know about X, Y, or Z??"

I've been in comment threads where people have told me that they are afraid to post here because of the responses they might get. Now this is absolutely true everywhere, and we will often respond "You just have to tune them out" but the scales are shifting to the majority of responses are negative.

New users will not simply block/tune out the majority of commenters. New users will see that a community is toxic and turn around and go back to where they felt it was better.

This is the root of my frustration - that Lemmy is no longer a geeky place where people can talk about Star Trek and Linux - but that it's becoming a toxic place where if you aren't talking about why Star Trek and Linux are the only good things on the planet that it should be called out over and over.

Worse is that the scales a tipping to simply being "If it is popular, it is not good" which is a huge red flag for toxic community. To be clear it does not mean that if something is popular that it must be good, but instead we are falling for the same trap that is on corporate social media.

Anger and toxicity are fun, they are dopamine hits. So when there's a huge post about <> and everyone dogpiles, everyone has that dopamine hit and it spreads, and it makes people want to dogpile more. Unfortunately I think this has left individual posts, and this is now driving a large part of our comment sections, that people feel included when they are all dogpiling on a popular thing. It's addictive.

It's incessant and exhausting being here some days.

Some examples to think on:

  • Harry Potter fans (who have already said they will not buy anything from Rowling again and are aware) who still want to enjoy the books/movies they already own, but are shouted down and downvoted
  • Sports fans posting about football, to have jokes about "sportsball" made to them.
    • (Is that really any different from nerds being made fun of by jocks in highschool, only this is in reverse and worse yet, we're supposedly more mature now?)
  • Freaking pumpkin spice. The world is on fire and people get a tiny bit of joy out of cinnamon and allspice, can we let them just enjoy that?!

I think that sums it all up, I wish people could just enjoy things here without having the majority of comments be about why they shouldn't enjoy it. I think this attitude has already lost of a good chunk of users who could be adding to the fediverse, instead now back on corporate social media.

It's anecdotal but I've shown the fediverse to 3 other people who are trekkie nerds like me. They gave up in less than a week not because the fediverse was complicated, but because they felt like they weren't wanted here.

Be the positive change, be encouraging. Don't belittle for someone for liking a popular thing if you like something more obscure, instead post about obscure thing and why you like it and share it! Inform users of things like Rowlings insane shit-headery, but don't demean them for still enjoying the books. If you don't like sports that's cool, but let them cheer on their team.

Thanks for listening. I'm going to have a pumpkin spice latte now.

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[–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

Society should strive to become more evolved

I 100% agree. However, I disagree with the premise that Lemmy is overall and generally toxic, which would necessitate an effort to "be better". It's already better than most social media platforms. The issues discussed by OP to me just seems like 'people being people', differences of opinions, and the inability to handle different personalities. Is that toxic? I don't, maybe. ...but how much do we want to police people's behavior on a public forum?

“It’s like that everywhere” is not a compass by which to set your morals.

Oh come on, we're not talking about toxic alt-right spaces here, we're talking about differences of opinions about JK Rowling and American Football apparently...

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  • [–] 2 points 16 hours ago

    Yeah, I don't think Lemmy is in any way toxic. It's a great place! If you found out (hypothetically) that you were the reason people were being scared away from a platform as awesome as this, I feel like you'd temper your responses. That level of antisocial behaviour is toxic, and worth talking about, even if there's worse out there, and we're not "as bad" as some spaces. Even if we're better, we can still strive to be better still. Evolution or personal growth, shouldn't stagnate or plateau. And your personal growth shouldn't be measured against and only a modicum above the worst out there.

    It's not about being better than them. It's about personal growth, bringing people in, building a place where we're all included and inclusivity is a priority, they don't exist in that measure. They (the worst out there) have no relevance against it. We should all be striving to be better versions of ourselves, regardless of what's happening in the world. Learning, growing, being able to rethink your beliefs entirely, that's true wisdom. None of us want to be emotionally immature elders, that's not a good look.

    I'm not really referring to the specific topics mentioned, because it'll be something different next week. Don't yuck someone else's yum. You don't have to snuff out their conversation with negativity, you can let it die in obscurity, scroll past, or post about other topics.

    I absolutely believe everyone should have exposure to the information behind the evil JK Rowling. Personally I can't engage with those conversations in good faith.

    And it's not that you can't say it, it's in how you say it. For instance, your mate Bobbo comes over and he's super excited to tell you about a new thing he's found he's in love with, he doesn't know the controversy around it that you do know about. You wouldn't trounce him. You couldn't look into Bobbos soft excited brown eyes and crush his hopes and dreams, and if you fell for a trap similarly, you would want to be told kindly. You might say, something like "oh man, I'm so sorry to tell you....(insert info here)" that's kindness, and you've still said the thing. Just imagine these people are your naive friend Bobbo and try not to crush his hopes and dreams, let him down easy!

    It's so easy to incrementally backslide and become all sharp edges. It needs to be a continually moving machine, so if you're ever on the other side of it, you're brought back in with kindness. Kindness is a fucking power they can't take from us. Those running the corporation machines know squeezing us causes us to be cruel to each other. Kindness in the face of that wish, is rebellion!

    Because yeah, we're fucking awesome here! I'm so proud, and grateful to be a part of this place. Let's keep working to build a better version of this place for others and reap the benefits of the better person that helps us, as individuals become, along the way.

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