Today has been especially bad, and was inspired sadly by about 6 straight posts of only negativity here.

I want to say that being negative towards something is not a bad thing, it's very valid to critique things. However, a community becomes toxic when the majority of it's content is negative.

Gaming is an obvious one. It's very obvious all around the internet that gaming communities are negative generally, and Lemmy certainly takes the cake. In the case of GTA 6 coming out this month we can (and have) had multiple stories about Rockstar's unethical practices, the pricing, ownership, and to be clear I agree with all of it. However, there is also valid positive things that people want to discuss but are immediately downvoted to hell, or have comments brigaded on with responses like "Don't you know about X, Y, or Z??"

I've been in comment threads where people have told me that they are afraid to post here because of the responses they might get. Now this is absolutely true everywhere, and we will often respond "You just have to tune them out" but the scales are shifting to the majority of responses are negative.

New users will not simply block/tune out the majority of commenters. New users will see that a community is toxic and turn around and go back to where they felt it was better.

This is the root of my frustration - that Lemmy is no longer a geeky place where people can talk about Star Trek and Linux - but that it's becoming a toxic place where if you aren't talking about why Star Trek and Linux are the only good things on the planet that it should be called out over and over.

Worse is that the scales a tipping to simply being "If it is popular, it is not good" which is a huge red flag for toxic community. To be clear it does not mean that if something is popular that it must be good, but instead we are falling for the same trap that is on corporate social media.

Anger and toxicity are fun, they are dopamine hits. So when there's a huge post about <> and everyone dogpiles, everyone has that dopamine hit and it spreads, and it makes people want to dogpile more. Unfortunately I think this has left individual posts, and this is now driving a large part of our comment sections, that people feel included when they are all dogpiling on a popular thing. It's addictive.

It's incessant and exhausting being here some days.

Some examples to think on:

  • Harry Potter fans (who have already said they will not buy anything from Rowling again and are aware) who still want to enjoy the books/movies they already own, but are shouted down and downvoted
  • Sports fans posting about football, to have jokes about "sportsball" made to them.
    • (Is that really any different from nerds being made fun of by jocks in highschool, only this is in reverse and worse yet, we're supposedly more mature now?)
  • Freaking pumpkin spice. The world is on fire and people get a tiny bit of joy out of cinnamon and allspice, can we let them just enjoy that?!

I think that sums it all up, I wish people could just enjoy things here without having the majority of comments be about why they shouldn't enjoy it. I think this attitude has already lost of a good chunk of users who could be adding to the fediverse, instead now back on corporate social media.

It's anecdotal but I've shown the fediverse to 3 other people who are trekkie nerds like me. They gave up in less than a week not because the fediverse was complicated, but because they felt like they weren't wanted here.

Be the positive change, be encouraging. Don't belittle for someone for liking a popular thing if you like something more obscure, instead post about obscure thing and why you like it and share it! Inform users of things like Rowlings insane shit-headery, but don't demean them for still enjoying the books. If you don't like sports that's cool, but let them cheer on their team.

Thanks for listening. I'm going to have a pumpkin spice latte now.

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[–] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I couldn't agree more. I always advocate for turning current enemies (if that's the right term for this situation) into potential allies. However, I also understand the frustration. When something like GTA takes up so much of the current gaming space, telling people to shut up seems fairly reasonable. You can't stop hearing about it everywhere else, so trying to prevent it from taking over Lemmy is not a bad goal, particularly when the company making money off of it are union busters.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I could absolutely understand that being super annoying, maybe the answer is to just change the subject or make a post talking about something else to redirect the conversation?

    I have kids with autism, they info dump incessantly, if someone is excited to talk about something, it's rare for me to want to silence them and I'm super used to sitting through subjects I'm not really super interested in hearing about for the 2 millionth time, but I can't kill people's joy. I usually try asking questions to redirect to things about it I would like to hear, or ask about something else totally random that's a bit of a brain scratcher.

    Gta 6 is big, it's been a long road for a lot of people too, so they might really be struggling and have been hanging out for this. We might just have to let them chat among themselves for a bit, if we don't have anything positive to add.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago

    someone is excited to talk about something, it's rare for me to want to silence them and I'm super used to sitting through subjects I'm not really super interested in hearing about for the 2 millionth time, but I can't kill people's joy.

    This is the issue. You're viewing it as affecting the person posting. That's not really why people downvote or are negative. It's for the people who haven't purchased it and have considered it. The goal is to normalize not purchasing the game from this company that does harm, and to un-normalize the opposite, which they have spent so much money on making true.

    The person posting has already made the purchase presumably. It doesn't matter if you even could change their mind. It's to make the person who sees it think maybe there's a good reason to not purchase it, because so many others think this way. All that they've heard outside of Lemmy is almost totally that "it's the biggest game of the decade and you're missing out if you don't play it day-one." There's a lot of money and momentum behind that. Changing that opinion is moral, and I think it's worth the cost of a handful of people being annoyed. If they were going to leave for that then they were going to leave eventually anyway.

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