Today has been especially bad, and was inspired sadly by about 6 straight posts of only negativity here.

I want to say that being negative towards something is not a bad thing, it's very valid to critique things. However, a community becomes toxic when the majority of it's content is negative.

Gaming is an obvious one. It's very obvious all around the internet that gaming communities are negative generally, and Lemmy certainly takes the cake. In the case of GTA 6 coming out this month we can (and have) had multiple stories about Rockstar's unethical practices, the pricing, ownership, and to be clear I agree with all of it. However, there is also valid positive things that people want to discuss but are immediately downvoted to hell, or have comments brigaded on with responses like "Don't you know about X, Y, or Z??"

I've been in comment threads where people have told me that they are afraid to post here because of the responses they might get. Now this is absolutely true everywhere, and we will often respond "You just have to tune them out" but the scales are shifting to the majority of responses are negative.

New users will not simply block/tune out the majority of commenters. New users will see that a community is toxic and turn around and go back to where they felt it was better.

This is the root of my frustration - that Lemmy is no longer a geeky place where people can talk about Star Trek and Linux - but that it's becoming a toxic place where if you aren't talking about why Star Trek and Linux are the only good things on the planet that it should be called out over and over.

Worse is that the scales a tipping to simply being "If it is popular, it is not good" which is a huge red flag for toxic community. To be clear it does not mean that if something is popular that it must be good, but instead we are falling for the same trap that is on corporate social media.

Anger and toxicity are fun, they are dopamine hits. So when there's a huge post about <> and everyone dogpiles, everyone has that dopamine hit and it spreads, and it makes people want to dogpile more. Unfortunately I think this has left individual posts, and this is now driving a large part of our comment sections, that people feel included when they are all dogpiling on a popular thing. It's addictive.

It's incessant and exhausting being here some days.

Some examples to think on:

  • Harry Potter fans (who have already said they will not buy anything from Rowling again and are aware) who still want to enjoy the books/movies they already own, but are shouted down and downvoted
  • Sports fans posting about football, to have jokes about "sportsball" made to them.
    • (Is that really any different from nerds being made fun of by jocks in highschool, only this is in reverse and worse yet, we're supposedly more mature now?)
  • Freaking pumpkin spice. The world is on fire and people get a tiny bit of joy out of cinnamon and allspice, can we let them just enjoy that?!

I think that sums it all up, I wish people could just enjoy things here without having the majority of comments be about why they shouldn't enjoy it. I think this attitude has already lost of a good chunk of users who could be adding to the fediverse, instead now back on corporate social media.

It's anecdotal but I've shown the fediverse to 3 other people who are trekkie nerds like me. They gave up in less than a week not because the fediverse was complicated, but because they felt like they weren't wanted here.

Be the positive change, be encouraging. Don't belittle for someone for liking a popular thing if you like something more obscure, instead post about obscure thing and why you like it and share it! Inform users of things like Rowlings insane shit-headery, but don't demean them for still enjoying the books. If you don't like sports that's cool, but let them cheer on their team.

Thanks for listening. I'm going to have a pumpkin spice latte now.

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[–] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

I agree with you, but there are like a hundred million people excited for GTA6, and those people might not feel welcome if they come here and try to discuss that excitement. Same with whatever big new Marvel movie. Or a big update to Windows, Fortnite, and other popular things.

Stuff like that seriously cuts down our potential userbase. I think we don't need to go into every post about Windows and remind people that we hate Microsoft, we can just ignore the post instead.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Maybe it does, but maybe it also cuts down on the number of people supporting horrible companies. What's worse? Having a few less users or standing up for what's right?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Maybe, but it's hard for a person to oppose EVERYTHING that's bad. They might oppose most bad things but they just want GTA6, and then we drive them away. We drive them away for any one thing. We don't allow a single guilty pleasure.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (2 children)

    I get your point, but what's the end result? Someone will like everything. Should we not speak out about racists because it may push someone away?

    The issue is people needing to be validated for everything. If you want to play GTA then fine. I'll think less of you for purchasing it, but if you don't want anyone to speak against it then you're making it other people's problem. We don't need to validate someone in fear of offending them. You can hold whatever opinion you want, and you should feel comfortable with it. Telling other people they need to support that opinion is infantile. If you need to be validated on your opinion then listen when people tell you they're bad. If you just want to play the game then that's on you, not anyone else. You don't need to be a child and have other people tell you it's ok.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    It's not so much for validation, it's to share the experience and socialize about it. If they post here excited about GTA6 and they get dog piled, they're just gonna leave the Fediverse. Some people are ok with that, but we're shrinking faster than we're growing, which is dangerous, especially if it snowballs. And it prevents niche communities from gaining momentum. You're not going to change their minds anyways so why bother making them feel bad? I think social media is not for changing people's minds, it never works.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    I think you're missing the purpose of 99% of comments on social media. It's not about changing the mind of the person posting. If it were, you'd use private messages. It's about influencing people who may see it.

    If praising the game causes others to purchase it, that's something we want to avoid. Companies pay a lot of money for social media posts for this reason. It's an incredibly useful and invasive form of advertising. If Lemmy falls to that then it's dead anyway. It's what ruined Reddit, and so many other sites. If the population decreasing to former levels is the cost of not becoming a corporate advertising space then it's worth the cost.

    I don't know if what you say is actually true though. Is the population decreasing? Last I saw it was increasing. Do you have data for that.

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